17 May 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesHappy <whatever it is you're off to do>!
I can't believe I'm wasting my time with this nonsense. I'll be back later tonight. Maybe you will have it figured out by then.
And when you're back, perhaps you'll have figured out that natural language statements (especially as part of a narrative) do not directly translate into logical statements.
17 May 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeI think this went way above the secular heads here. 😀
Any literal fundamentalist ..... as you know there are also secular literal fundamentalists ...... check out this thread .... interesting food for psychologists, logicians and other stand-up comedians ..... 😀 😛
17 May 05
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Originally posted by lucifershammerIt is a coordinating conjuction as used by the monk.
Sorry - that should've read coordinating conjunction. WHILE is a subordinating conjunction as Coletti correctly points out.
Refer to this: http://grammar.uoregon.edu/conjunctions/coordinating.html
"While is a coordinating conjunction when its meaning is during the time that or throughout the time that."
This reference suggests that the monk should have used "although" if he intended subordination. But then ivanhoe's joke is no longer funny, is it? The entirety of the humor is based on an abuse of language. It's nonsense and there's nothing to be learned from it, other than that some people have no qualms about abusing language when it suits them.
17 May 05
Originally posted by lucifershammerI don't assert that they always do. I do, however, assert that I am entitled to make them confrom to a logical form if you are going to assert that they have truth values, which you have done by saying that the monk didn't lie.
Happy <whatever it is you're off to do>!
And when you're back, perhaps you'll have figured out that natural language statements (especially as part of a narrative) do not directly translate into logical statements.
17 May 05
Originally posted by PhlabibitSounds like you might have severe problems with coordination of different movements. I suggest you see a neurologist. 😛
Can you walk and chew bubble gum at the same time? Answer is probably no.
Can you chew bubble gum and walk at the same time? Answer is probably no.
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17 May 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesAs I mentioned before, a logical form for a subordinating conjunction like WHILE will necessarily need to take into account the temporal and situational context of the statement. Even if it does, it may still not account for various other ambiguities of language and other aspects of hermeneutics that a human reader will apply to the situation. Nevertheless, the difficulty in formulating a formal system or operation to find out the truth value of the statement does not mean that no such system exists, or that the truth value cannot be found.
I don't assert that they always do. I do, however, assert that I am entitled to make them confrom to a logical form if you are going to assert that they have truth values, which you have done by saying that the monk didn't lie.
I think, for instance, that the following statement is true:
"I love my mother."
What formal system would you devise to find out this truth value?