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Originally posted by @dj2becker
Have beneficial mutations ever been observed in life forms simpler than single celled organisms for example?
Like viral resistance to antibiotics maybe?

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Originally posted by @divegeester
Like viral resistance to antibiotics maybe?
Very beneficial for the survival of life indeed. 🙄

Surely you can't believe an example of a mutation that benefits something that aims to destroy life is evidence that simple organisms can become more complex as a result of said mutations?

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Originally posted by @kellyjay
The fact that you think it’s true. Suppressing dissent doesn’t mean it isn’t there, any more than suggesting bad mutations are eliminated in favor of the good ones. So the good and bad would have to go forward in each life form, moreover due to the complexity of life even the good ones reacting with each new generation would not be able to accumulate in such a fashion to evolve into more complex life with all the bells and whistles life has.
Good and bad mutations are both very rare. So natural selection can act on them separately, since they typically don't occur simultaneously in the same organism's descendants.

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
Kazet is claimaing that complex organisms can occasionally undergo beneficial mutations. This does not prove that the same applies to simple organisms. (never mind that those simple organisms can change into complex ones) Since he believes that complex life as we know it evolved from material even simpler than single celled organisms he should surely have loads of evidence to back up his claim. Surely he isn't imagining this is he?
There is indeed a lot of evidence. Some of it is summarized on this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

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Anyone surprised that KJ is unable to post a detailed explanation of the basic mechanics of natural selection? He can claim that he understands it all he wants, but it is quite telling that when it comes to demonstrating that he actually understands it, he is unable.

Of course he'll create a rationalization or two for not doing so.

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Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
There is indeed a lot of evidence. Some of it is summarized on this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
"Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations." That does not mean it explains how simple organisms can evolve into new more complex species due to mutations.

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
Very beneficial for the survival of life indeed. 🙄

Surely you can't believe an example of a mutation that benefits something that aims to destroy life is evidence that simple organisms can become more complex as a result of said mutations?
I answered your question with a perfect example; you just don't like the answer and so are creating an emotional ad hominem against the virus which is a living creature. It's ability to build resistance to antibiotics is a result of natural selection.

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
"Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations." That does not mean it explains how simple organisms can evolve into new more complex species due to mutations.
It does explain that.

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Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
There is indeed a lot of evidence. Some of it is summarized on this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
Quote the part from the text that you feel is the strongest evidence.

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Originally posted by @divegeester
I answered your question with a perfect example; you just don't like the answer and so are creating an emotional ad hominem against the virus which is a living creature. It's ability to build resistance to antibiotics is a result of natural selection.
You must have slept during your biology classes. Virus are non living.

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Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
It does explain that.
Maybe if you have a vivid imagination.

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
Maybe if you have a vivid imagination.
Or if you know what evolution is.

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
Quote the part from the text that you feel is the strongest evidence.
Do you really think 150 years of biology can be condensed into a single quote?

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
You must have slept during your biology classes. Virus are non living.
Feel free to run, hide and dodge from the actual point which is that bacteria, not viruses, evolve to become antibiotic resistant. Are you going to tell me a bacteria is not a living thing now?

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Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
Do you really think 150 years of biology can be condensed into a single quote?
You may not have conversed with dj2becker before; he is also @Fetchmyjunk and possibly @Romans1009.
He is widely regarded in this forum and a being a bit of a bellend.

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