05 Jan 18
Originally posted by @fmfIt's simple English. Evidently you can read, so I can only assume that you know what it says. You may not agree, but the meaning is clear, even to those who aren't buying it. If you can read the words, you can either heed them or not. It's up to you. It's not really my business, either way.
And - to your way of thinking - what it says means what?
05 Jan 18
Originally posted by @suzianneJust state what you think it means. I think it means that, according to believers in Christ, people like me are already "dead" - even when we seem to be alive - because we are non-believers. Is that what you think it means?
It's simple English. Evidently you can read, so I can only assume that you know what it says. You may not agree, but the meaning is clear, even to those who aren't buying it. If you can read the words, you can either heed them or not. It's up to you. It's not really my business, either way.
05 Jan 18
Originally posted by @fmfIt's pretty clear that in this case, the "dead" are those not following Christ. But as I said, this is not my call. I have no idea if you actually do follow Christ and are just "taking the piss" in this forum. Just because you may be an "unbeliever", that doesn't mean you're not "human". As you say, we are both obviously "alive" and are busy living our lives. I have no problem with allowing you the right to make your own decisions; you're an adult, after all. What this verse doesn't give me is the right to treat you as somehow "less than human" if I make the mistake of assuming that you are "dead" in Christ. It's simply not my call.
Just state what you think it means. I think it means that, according to believers in Christ, people like me are already "dead" - even when we seem to be alive - because we are non-believers. Is that what you think it means?
Now is there anything else you want to try to browbeat me over?
05 Jan 18
Originally posted by @suzianneWhat your opinion is most certainly is your call. So do you agree with what I think it means?
It's pretty clear that in this case, the "dead" are those not following Christ. But as I said, this is not my call. I have no idea if you actually do follow Christ and are just "taking the piss" in this forum. Just because you may be an "unbeliever", that doesn't mean you're not "human". As you say, we are both obviously "alive" and are busy living our ...[text shortened]... uman" if I make the mistake of assuming that you are "dead" in Christ. It's simply not my call.
05 Jan 18
Originally posted by @suzianneDo you think the Jews, for example, are "the dead" in accordance with Luke 9.
It's simple English. Evidently you can read, so I can only assume that you know what it says. You may not agree, but the meaning is clear, even to those who aren't buying it. If you can read the words, you can either heed them or not. It's up to you. It's not really my business, either way.
05 Jan 18
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Originally posted by @fmfActually, no.
What your opinion is most certainly is your call. So do you agree with what I think it means?
Those who do not follow Christ may be "spiritually dead" right now. However, "Jesus said, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live." (And dead in this verse has the same meaning as in the other verse, of course.)
All is not yet lost, even for you. 😛
05 Jan 18
Originally posted by @fmfMany Jews will come to Christ during the Tribulation. So no, not as a monolithic group.
Do you think the Jews, for example, are "the dead" in accordance with Luke 9.
Salvation in Christ is an individual thing. No one is excluded because they are a part of some "group". Christ came for Gentile and Jew, white, black, yellow or brown. All you have to do is believe in Him; the rest follows. But just because someone does not believe now, does not mean they are forever lost.
05 Jan 18
Originally posted by @suzianneAre people who are not believers now "the dead" then?
Many Jews will come to Christ during the Tribulation. So no, not as a monolithic group.
Salvation in Christ is an individual thing. No one is excluded because they are a part of some "group". Christ came for Gentile and Jew, white, black, yellow or brown. All you have to do is believe in Him; the rest follows. But just because someone does not believe now, does not mean they are forever lost.
07 Jan 18
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemHomosexuals no, abortion doctors perhaps. Killing murderers could be Christian.
Yes, if the victims are homosexuals, or abortion doctors. 😵
07 Jan 18
Originally posted by @fmfThis seems clear. I'm not understanding the fine point you are trying to put on this.
Are people who are not believers now "the dead" then?
I would add that this includes all who do not follow Christ. Certainly this may include some believers.