06 Jan 20
@secondson saidI will leave the use of "circle jerk" as a forum insult to you.
But you ran with it to the extreme with intent insinuating intent not intended.
06 Jan 20
@secondson saidYou're the one who used the insult "circle jerk" on this thread. I don't say stuff like that.
No thanks. You can have it.
06 Jan 20
@secondson saidIs this intended as an insult?
I'm not here to join a circle jerk to stroke someone's ego.
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06 Jan 20
Because men do not love the truth, in the end times God will allow them to be persuaded by a total lie and run desperately after it.
We see strong instance of this type of thing in the Old Testament with king Ahab when God purposely sent a lying spirit to him.
In prophecy about the end times Paul predicts that God will send strong delusion upon people who did not love the truth.
" the coming of whom [Antichrist] is according to Satan's operation in all power and signs and wonders of a lie.
And in all deceit of unrighteousness among those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth that they might be saved.
And because of this God sends to them an operation of error that they might believe the lie. So that all who have not believed the truth but have taken pleasure in unrighteousness might be judged." (2 Thess. 2:9-12)
I think it means in God's providence and sovereignty He allows this strong deception to come upon that part of the world which did not love the truth of the Gospel.
07 Jan 20
@sonship saidHe has deceived the whole world, and his tricks are pretty much well known, but highly effective. The world and our flesh also works against us too, our idolatry is so great.
Because men do not love the truth, in the end times God will allow them to be persuaded by a total lie and run desperately after it.
We see strong instance of this type of thing in the Old Testament with king Ahab when God purposely sent a lying spirit to him.
In prophecy about the end times Paul predicts that God will send strong delusion upon people who did not lov ...[text shortened]... his strong deception to come upon that part of the world which did not love the truth of the Gospel.
1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.
Colossians 3:5
Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
07 Jan 20
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@kellyjay saidIf he exists, how can you assure people he hasn't deceived you and that one of his "highly effective" "tricks" is not you and people like you?
He has deceived the whole world, and his tricks are pretty much well known, but highly effective. The world and our flesh also works against us too, our idolatry is so great.
Is it enough for you to simply insist that it is NOT you and it is instead only OTHER people who have been deceived?
Does the fact that you recite religious dogma on a website day in day our mean that you have NOT been "deceived" by "the deceiver"?
07 Jan 20
@kellyjay saidIs the fact that you seem to condemn "sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness" but will steadfastly NOT comment on a Christian critique of Donald Trump for things like "sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness" a sign that you have been "deceived" by "the deceiver", or is it a sign that you are NOT "deceived" by "the deceiver"?
Colossians 3:5
Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
07 Jan 20
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNo, this is wrong. There are those that help, there are those that leave alone, and there are those that hinder.
Darkness is the absence of light. 'Evil' therefore is not a thing in itself, but the absence of goodness.
07 Jan 20
@secondson said[emoji noted for future use!]
Thanks for the exposé about what happens at a circle jerk. 🖕
07 Jan 20
@fmf saidIt is because , despite protests to the contrary, they love their political ideology much more than their professed love of Jesus .
Is the fact that you seem to condemn "sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness" but will steadfastly NOT comment on a Christian critique of Donald Trump for things like "sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness" a sign that you have been "deceived" by "the deceiver", or is it a sign that you are NOT "deceived" by "the deceiver"?
07 Jan 20
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I said earlier that evil is something someone does or doesn't do? After thinking about it, I have to say intent can be evil too even if there were no actions, what would we do if we could, what would we like to do even if we cannot, thinking about doing evil things more than likely should be considered evil too. I guess maybe that was what Jesus was saying when he talked about us lusting for someone in our hearts.
@kellyjay saidI believe morality governs actions and human interactions.
I said earlier that evil is something someone does or doesn't do? After thinking about it, I have to say intent can be evil too even if there were no actions, what would we do if we could, what would we like to do even if we cannot, thinking about doing evil things more than likely should be considered evil too. I guess maybe that was what Jesus was saying when he talked about us lusting for someone in our hearts.
I believe thoughtcrimes, so to speak, are a matter for theists [and such 'crimes' are between them and their God figures, assuming they exist].
If an "intent" involves planning or taking steps towards carrying out an "evil" act, or a conspiracy, or - in some cases - not acting when one should because of "evil thoughts", then I think that can be considered immoral.
If an "intent" is just a thought with no action or no possible action, then I think it's none of anyone's business.
Do you want to govern - or have others govern for you - your neighbours' thoughtcrimes, KellyJay?