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Originally posted by UllrWell it stands to reason that if the population of the world grows, the number of people in all religions will also grow. What matters is the proportion.
What is interesting and perhaps ironic is that the more society declines the more people turn to Christianity for salvation. Yet there are more Christians in the world today than ever before but it still declines.
I couldn't find anything quickly on religion and proportion comparisons over time but I did find a 2-year-old article that says Christianity is proportionally on the decline in the US, as are all religions, and they have been for at least the last 20 years.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-03-09/living/us.religion.less.christian_1_american-religious-identification-survey-christian-nation-evangelical?_s=PM:LIVING
17 Oct 11
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It's really hard to get a concensus about whether there is a decline or not.
Clearly there is an increase in life span and furthur world wars are seeming less and less likely.
I bet the christians are spewing that thier prophecy keeps getting put back. They prolly thought they had it with Y2K. And then with Sars.
Seems as if none of the modern events are living upto biblical "endtimes".
17 Oct 11
Originally posted by sumydidThe list i posted was of Victorian era serial killers, how can you seriously claim Jack the Ripper was 'the only one of his time'?
I meant the only one of his time. And sheesh, I guess I could have been wrong. I illustrated it poorly but my point was, the serial killers were fewer and farther between way back when.
17 Oct 11
Originally posted by tomtom232Well first, I am curious about the heinous killings as said in the last message because the killers I'm thinking of today don't necessarily qualify as serial killers so my jack the ripper analogy was awful. I was talking about people who kill people in heinous fashion for no good reason. Not necessarily serial killers. Jack the Ripper fits the category I'm speaking of, but so do the Columbine shooters, Timothy McVeigh, Charles Manson, and of recent fame, Joshua Komisarjevsky and Steven Hayes.
Still not true. The most brutal serial killers still reside in the past.
Most serial killers today tend to just kill and be done with it.
Ed Gein (around the same time as Jack the Ripper) had the whole interior of his house made of human skin; From the walls to the lamp shades, it was all human skin and some of it was his family's skin.
Norman Bates, Leatherface, and Jame Gumb we all based off of Ed Gein.
17 Oct 11
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Originally posted by sumydidHow can you argue proportion here but against for murderers, terrorists and other such things?
Well it stands to reason that if the population of the world grows, the number of people in all religions will also grow. What matters is the proportion.
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You are the definition of a biased Christian.
17 Oct 11
Originally posted by sumydidbut my point was, the serial killers were fewer and farther between way back when.
Please cite a study that shows the ratio of heinous killings is on the decline and not increasing.
You seem somewhat confused as to which answer you require.
Please explain. Thanks.
-m.
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Today we have dozens of Jack-the-Ripper-equivalents walking around...
Name them.
Jack-the-Ripper... was the only [serial killer in his day] and the ordeal shocked the whole country.
Wrong, rat lips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_country
The Columbine Massacre ended up being a blue print for future events that seem to be happening with more and more regularity.
Show me on a graph how this type of event is happening at an exponentially increasing rate.
The OKC bombing. 9/11. All acts of evil seem to be getting more and more severe over time...
What has happened that is more severe? BTW 9/11 was an act of war and only considered evil depending on which side you stand on just like any other war.
We just like to call it evil because we were attacked on our home turf for the first time since we became a country... unless, of course, you consider any war evil but then wars have been going on since old testament times.
@summydid
You still haven't adressed all my arguments.
17 Oct 11
I got to thinking out loud and typing while I thought, and came out with sort of a mess, didn't I.
I propose that Christianity is on the decline and I cited an article.
I propose that heinous killings are on the rise but I may be wrong.
All the rest is me wasting your time, it looks like.
SORRY! 😀
17 Oct 11
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Originally posted by sumydidYes, because if you look at your arguments for both sides you will find that you are stating "there are more heinous crimes than before so they are increasing" but "there are more Christians than before but they are decreasing proportinate to the population."
What are you talking about? I'm saying Christianity is on the decline, and you're accusing me of bias?
That is bias, my friend.