Divorced after 25 happy years

@kellyjay said
Lying about what?

"Lying about" whatever it is you are going on and on about how you don't know if they are lying about it or not. Love? Being happily married for 23 years? You keep mentioning lies and lying and how you can't be sure if people are lying or not.

@fmf said
"Lying about" whatever it is you are going on and on about how you don't know if they are lying about it or not. Love? Being happily married for 23 years? You keep mentioning lies and lying and how you can't be sure if people are lying or not.

Truth is essential so is the meaning of the words we choose. Being in love and happily married for 25 years is always a natural cause for divorce in your world?

@moonbus said
If a person loses his faith, was it ever real faith he had?

Indeed, and I think KellyJay is seeking to poison the well ~ at least between him and me ~ by bandying about the word "lying"...

As in: if I insist that I had faith that was real to me back then, before I lost it, then, because I lost it, I must be lying about how real it was to me back then. Stuff like that.

See how many times he mentions "lying" or alludes to it while he stumbles over himself talking about Chris and Donna's 23 years of love... seeing as they lost it, who knows whether or not they were lying about it all along? etc. etc.

@kellyjay said
Truth is essential so is the meaning of the words we choose. Being in love and happily married for 25 years is always a natural cause for divorce in your world?

Do you presume that Chris and Donna were lying about their love for 23 years? Is that your go-to take on their marriage?

@kellyjay said
Being in love and happily married for 25 years is always a natural cause for divorce in your world?

You have some comment to make about "divorce in [my] world"?

@kellyjay said
Being in love and happily married for 25 years is always a natural cause for divorce in your world?

Who has suggested that being in love and happily married is the natural cause of divorce? What's the point of this clumsy facetiousness?

@fmf said
Indeed, and I think KellyJay is seeking to poison the well ~ at least between him and me ~ by bandying about the word "lying"...

As in: if I insist that I had faith that was real to me back then, before I lost it, then, because I lost it, I must be lying about how real it was to me back then. Stuff like that.

See how many times he mentions "lying" or alludes to it while h ...[text shortened]... i]seeing as they lost it, who knows whether or not they were lying about it all along?[/i] etc. etc.

It is a matter of definition, what was it you had, what was it you lost? If it was real, can you lose something like that to the point of being able to deny it now? If it was never real, can you say you ever had it? Truth doesn't change to suit us; definitions are required when we talk about anything; without them, nothing has meaning; we can say whatever we want; who can find fault without something not clearly being identified. Its the same discussion when we started talking to one another.

What something means to you now and then, the only focal point is you and the meaning you assign; if it is that, who can argue with you, it meant that then, this now.

@kellyjay said
It is a matter of definition, what was it you had, what was it you lost? If it was real, can you lose something like that to the point of being able to deny it now?

I had faith. And I lost it. I believed the same things as you do about Jesus. And I believed the same things as you do about myself as a result of my belief in Jesus. Can someone lose "something like that"? Yes, of course. I believe that I am an example of that. I do not deny that my faith was as real to me as your faith is to you.

@kellyjay said
If it was never real, can you say you ever had it?

It was real to me for about 25 years. Can I say I ever had that faith? Yes, I can.

@kellyjay said
Truth doesn't change to suit us; definitions are required when we talk about anything; without them, nothing has meaning; we can say whatever we want; who can find fault without something not clearly being identified. Its the same discussion when we started talking to one another.

Saying all this about "truth" does not make what you believe "true" except to you, in a personal subjective way. The fact that you used to think something is "true", in terms of your faith, that you still think something is "true", and you will still think that something is "true" next week, month, year... doesn't make what you believe any "truer" than it already is [or isn't] except to you, in a personal subjective way.

@kellyjay said
What something means to you now and then, the only focal point is you and the meaning you assign; if it is that, who can argue with you, it meant that then, this now.

The meaning of your faith is also only what you assign to it.

@fmf said
You have some comment to make about "divorce in [my] world"?

BUMP for KellyJay

@fmf said
Do you presume that Chris and Donna were lying about their love for 23 years? Is that your go-to take on their marriage?

Love caused them to marry; in your story, you add to that 25 years of being happy in marriage, now divorce; if love and being happy together for 25 years are true, why divorce?

@kellyjay said
Love caused them to marry; in your story, you add to that 25 years of being happy in marriage, now divorce; if love and being happy together for 25 years are true, why divorce?

It could be any of a whole range of things. They are two human beings, after all.

As I suggested, have a think about people YOU have known who got divorced.

Draw upon that knowledge you have of people, marriage, love, and lost love.

There really is no need to jump to the conclusion that they were LYING about their love for 23 or so years.

It's very misanthropic of you.

@kellyjay said
Love caused them to marry; in your story, you add to that 25 years of being happy in marriage, now divorce; if love and being happy together for 25 years are true, why divorce?

I detected what may have been some sort of snide comment about my own personal moral code vis a vis marriage and divorce earlier from you, at least in its intention. Do you have some comment to make about "divorce in [FMF's] world"? I am asking you point-blank to clarify. Please don't run away.