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Originally posted by RJHinds
RNA is a copy of information from DNA and is not likely to last very long.

http://www.lifesorigin.com/chap10/RNA-self-replication-3.php
Except for the ribosomal form of RNA. You know, what ribosomes are made of.

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An interesting talk on DNA:

Craig Venter: A voyage of DNA, genes and the sea


We still know about only a tiny fraction of DNA based life forms, there is no way we can rule out life forms based on something else.

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Originally posted by Kepler
Except for the ribosomal form of RNA. You know, what ribosomes are made of.
You apparently did not read this part from the reference article concerning ribozomes, which are very rare in a cell.

"Given the extreme difficulties associated with synthesizing an RNA molecule containing 200 or more bases, it is unlikely that even one such molecule ever existed on the primitive earth, and 15 trillion are needed to just get 65 functional ribozymes. Furthermore, ribozymes are not self replicators. The knowledge required for self replication is certainly many orders of magnitude more than the 44 bits required for a marginally functional ribozyme."

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Originally posted by twhitehead
An interesting talk on DNA:

Craig Venter: A voyage of DNA, genes and the sea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5X6Qy772YU

We still know about only a tiny fraction of DNA based life forms, there is no way we can rule out life forms based on something else.
They can't rule them in either.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
You apparently did not read this part from the reference article concerning ribozomes, which are very rare in a cell.

"Given the extreme difficulties associated with synthesizing an RNA molecule containing 200 or more bases, it is unlikely that even one such molecule ever existed on the primitive earth, and 15 trillion are needed to just get 65 functional ...[text shortened]... nitude more than the 44 bits required for a marginally functional ribozyme."

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You apparently didn't read anything at all.

"The ribosome (from ribonucleic acid and the Greek soma, meaning "body"😉 is a large and complex molecular machine, found within all living cells, that serves as the primary site of biological protein synthesis."

You missed the fact I was talking about ribosomes. Go look them up, they are not rybozymes. And they are very common in cells!

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Originally posted by RJHinds
They can't rule them in either.

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watch this one as well. it shows how non-life becomes life and from a simple system to a complex system through simple chemical reactions.


http://www.ted.com/talks/martin_hanczyc_the_line_between_life_and_not_life.html

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Originally posted by stellspalfie
watch this one as well. it shows how non-life becomes life and from a simple system to a complex system through simple chemical reactions.


http://www.ted.com/talks/martin_hanczyc_the_line_between_life_and_not_life.html
God made the animals and man from the ground which consists of non-living chemical elements and breathed life into them.

I used to have a little boat that I could place baking soda inside and when I placed it in the bathtub filled with water, the baking soda reacted with the water to propel the boat in the water, because the boat was designed that way.

So I said this, only to point out that intelligence from someone that knows how all these things will work is involved in all of this. It doesn't really do it own its own as the speaker in your video seems to imply, making life able to just form on its own.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
God made the animals and man from the ground which consists of non-living chemical elements and breathed life into them.

I used to have a little boat that I could place baking soda inside and when I placed it in the bathtub filled with water, the baking soda reacted with the water to propel the boat in the water, because the boat was designed that way.
...[text shortened]... eaker in your video seems to imply, making life able to just form on its own.

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You know this how?

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Originally posted by Kepler
You know this how?
My knowledge certainly did not come through evil-lution. So what other choices are there? 😏

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Originally posted by RJHinds
God made the animals and man from the ground which consists of non-living chemical elements and breathed life into them.

I used to have a little boat that I could place baking soda inside and when I placed it in the bathtub filled with water, the baking soda reacted with the water to propel the boat in the water, because the boat was designed that way.
...[text shortened]... eaker in your video seems to imply, making life able to just form on its own.

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sorry, i dont understand especially the last paragraph?


the speaker didnt imply anything, he showed it happening. he showed how a bunch of chemicals can assemble themselves into a more complex system. he showed exactly what we thought happened in the primordial soup.

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Originally posted by stellspalfie
sorry, i dont understand especially the last paragraph?


the speaker didnt imply anything, he showed it happening. he showed how a bunch of chemicals can assemble themselves into a more complex system. he showed exactly what we thought happened in the primordial soup.
You apparently saw a magic trick because you wanted to believe. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!

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Originally posted by RJHinds
You apparently saw a magic trick because you wanted to believe. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!
do you think it wasnt real? why?

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Originally posted by RJHinds
My knowledge certainly did not come through evil-lution. So what other choices are there? 😏
Observation, experiment. Your knowledge apparently comes from a book of mythical tales.

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Originally posted by stellspalfie
do you think it wasnt real? why?
It was a real magic trick to make you believe it proved something that it did not. 😏

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Originally posted by RJHinds
It was a real magic trick to make you believe it proved something that it did not. 😏

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it proves that on their own simple chemicals can join together to make more complex systems.

are you denying that it proves this?

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