22 Dec 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI think it is an equal opportunity headache.
Quite the contrary, mon signor. In the absence of God's direct voice, evil, pain and suffering are all PROOF of God's existence... causing quite the headache for the hardcore agnostics and so-called atheists.
Think about it, will you please?
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22 Dec 06
Originally posted by SquelchbelchWhy doesn't God just destroy us?
The concepts of evil & suffering are a real headache for Christians.
1. A good God would destroy evil.
2. An all powerful God could destroy evil.
3. Evil is not destroyed.
4. Therefore, there cannot possibly be such a good and powerful God.
22 Dec 06
Well done, Knight. That was a great answer that actually made sense.
However, I think that is what you feel personally, and though it was impressive I don't think that goes along with fundamentalist Chrisitian dogma, which is really what I was targeting.
Where is "clean cut?" I was hoping he would jump on this one. haha
22 Dec 06
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo called atheists?
... and so-called atheists.
Thats so typical of "so called" christians... Shoving your bible and god BS down everybodys throat. Despite the fact that I am an atheist, I am familiar with the bible. Let me refer you to Matthew 7:1 and Luke 6:37.
You keep judging me and others who dont share your beliefs and your hypocrisy shines through like the headlights on a train.
EDIT: clean cut is a troll. He gets this junk started and sits back and watches.
22 Dec 06
Originally posted by sear novemberFundamentalist Christian Dogma (in many cases) is not true Christianity , it is a warped , distorted image of God that manipulates through guilt and fear.
Well done, Knight. That was a great answer that actually made sense.
However, I think that is what you feel personally, and though it was impressive I don't think that goes along with fundamentalist Chrisitian dogma, which is really what I was targeting.
Where is "clean cut?" I was hoping he would jump on this one. haha
Never forget that the fundamentalists of their time where at odds with Jesus , he got up their noses. Jesus was not a "religious " person and if he was around now he would pop up in some very unpredictable places a long long way away from fundamentalist churches.
23 Dec 06
Originally posted by Wayne13241 [1-12] In ⇒ Matthew 7:1 Matthew returns to the basic traditional material of the sermon (⇒ Luke 6:37-38, ⇒ 41-42). The governing thought is the correspondence between conduct toward one's fellows and God's conduct toward the one so acting.
So called atheists?
Thats so typical of "so called" christians... Shoving your bible and god BS down everybodys throat. Despite the fact that I am an atheist, I am familiar with the bible. Let me refer you to Matthew 7:1 and Luke 6:37.
You keep judging me and others who dont share your beliefs and your hypocrisy shines through like the headlights on a train.
EDIT: clean cut is a troll. He gets this junk started and sits back and watches.
Matthew 7;1
1 1 2 "Stop judging, that you may not be judged.
2 [1] This is not a prohibition against recognizing the faults of others, which would be hardly compatible with ⇒ Matthew 7:5, 6 but against passing judgment in a spirit of arrogance, forgetful of one's own faults.
Matthew 7:5,6
5 You hypocrite, 3 remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye.
6 "Do not give what is holy to dogs, 4 or throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, and turn and tear you to pieces.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PVG.HTM
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Luke 7:35
35 But wisdom is vindicated by all her children."
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PWQ.HTM
What meaning do you give, as an atheist, to this last verse, which you mentioned in your post.
23 Dec 06
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Originally posted by ivanhoeLuke 6:37: Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.
1 [1-12] In ⇒ Matthew 7:1 Matthew returns to the basic traditional material of the sermon (⇒ Luke 6:37-38, ⇒ 41-42). The governing thought is the correspondence between conduct toward one's fellows and God's conduct toward the one so acting.
Matthew 7;1
1 1 2 "Stop judging, that you may not be judged.
2 [1] [b]This is not a meaning do you give, as an atheist, to this last verse, which you mentioned in your post.
As a christian, you should not judge me. In turn, I will not judge you.
23 Dec 06
Originally posted by Wayne1324That would destroy the world as we know it. Any thing that is broken, "Hey God! Can you come fix this right away? We know you can do it with a snap of your finger -- it will only take a sec." Then magnify that by every human being all around the world -- sitting on his butt waiting for God to help him.
I disagree with the analogy. You said it yourself, you are not omnipotent or omniscient.
Tell me then, if you could fix your childs toys with a snap of your thumb, would you still not do it right away? If with a mere thought you could prevent child abuse and rape, would you still not do it?
When a child and his mother are being beaten by a drunken step-father/husband, where is your god then?
I don't know the Purpose of Life, but I will bet that waiting for God to "fix it" is not it.
As for the child, mother, and father -- they all have free will, don't they? So do you. Instead of asking God what He is doing about that horrible situation, what are YOU doing about it? Or is your free time to precious to get involved in such things?
It's our world and if we want it to be better than it is, we have to fix it. The greater the evil, the greater the good that rises up against it.
23 Dec 06
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Originally posted by spruce112358Unless you've been in that situation, dont talk to me about free will.
s for the child, mother, and father -- they all have free will, don't they? So do you. Instead of asking God what He is doing about that horrible situation, what are YOU doing about it? Or is your free time to precious to get involved in such things?
23 Dec 06
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Originally posted by Wayne1324Does this mean I cannot recognise and point out to you your faults, failures, mistakes and, in my view, wrong opinions ?
Luke 6:37: Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.
As a christian, you should not judge me. In turn, I will not judge you.