Don’t get confused, there is a difference...

Originally posted by Phlabibit
Please find one person who doesn't belive in God, yet blames Him for something. I think you'll be looking quite some time.

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Phlabibit???

You must be blind. Read some of the threads and see for yourself.

Originally posted by Nordlys
I blame God for that.

typical

Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
I blame God for that

typical

Originally posted by Nicolaas
There is a difference in stuff what happens to us. Before blaming anyone, shouldnt we all start looking at ourselfs first?

Yes, of course. We should look at how our decisions and lives affect ourselves
and other people and we will find, very often, that we have negative impacts
because of stubbornness, lack of forethought, stupidity, or innocence.

However, if you are going to subscribe to an all-knowing and all-powerful God,
then you have to concede that the horrible tragedies happen on His watch --
ones which He *knows* will happen and has the ability to prevent -- are a
sign of perversion.

If I knew in advance, for example, that a friend of mine was going to get
assaulted in her own hope and raped, I would do everything in my power to
prevent it. As you describe Him, God has the complete knowledge and power
to influence this and yet, He does not; He permits it to happen.

If you believe this, then you believe in a monster.

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
If you believe this, then you believe in a monster.

Is that the same as a shibboleth? Or am I thinking of a shoggoth?

Originally posted by Nicolaas
You can feel and here it when they blow under ground. Sometimes without blowing, you can feel the earth shake a little.

That had to be one hell of a blow if the earth shook.
Never had one of those before.

Originally posted by Crowley
That had to be one hell of a blow if the earth shook.
Never had one of those before.

It sometimes depends how close they are blowing, and the power of the dynamite. I dont know if there is only one type of dynamite?

Originally posted by Nemesio
Yes, of course. We should look at how our decisions and lives affect ourselves
and other people and we will find, very often, that we have negative impacts
because of stubbornness, lack of forethought, stupidity, or innocence.

However, if you are going to subscribe to an all-knowing and all-powerful God,
then you have to concede that the horrible trag ...[text shortened]... not; He permits it to happen.

If you believe this, then you believe in a monster.

Nemesio

I understand...

Could i make an example and say...

You have children, and they grow up. As time goes by they start being rebellious (that happens to alot of children nowadays). They start hating you cause of your rules in the house, then they swear at you, hit you, spit at you, steal from you etc etc etc. Thinks can get worse and they start stealing in shops, doing drugs etc etc.

Do you know what is going to happen to your children? Yes you do! You know that they are going to go to jail, or even maybe at the end of the day they could even die. Is this what you want for your children? No you dont! Can you help them? Yes, in some cases.

Its the same with God. I am His child. He, and for sure I aswell knows what will happen if I turn against Him.

Would you then call yourself a monster too if your children go to jail or die, even if you knew what waited for them, and tried to help them?

Originally posted by Nicolaas
I understand...

Could i make an example and say...

You have children, and they grow up. As time goes by they start being rebellious (that happens to alot of children nowadays). They start hating you cause of your rules in the house, then they swear at you, hit you, spit at you, steal from you etc etc etc. Thinks can get worse and they start stealing i ...[text shortened]... your children go to jail or die, even if you knew what waited for them, and tried to help them?

The difference is: I am not omniscient or omnipotent.

If, for example, I knew from the moment of my son's birth that he was going
to be a mass murderer (omniscience), I would use my power as a parent to
force him to respect life (omnipotence). Keep in mind that there is nothing
I cannot do (I'm omnipotent). And, by forcing my son NOT to be a murderer,
I am saving at least one innocent victim from a wrongful death.

So, either God doesn't value life enough to stop murderers (because he *knows*
who they are and has the *power* to stop them) or he is entertained by the
perversion of humankind.

Or, murder is part of 'God's Plan.' That is, everything unfolds according to God's
will. Thus, every death in the Holocaust was absolutely necessary and that even
a single death less would have been 'out of God's Plan.'

These conclusions (which are the only one's I see) are absurd and not concordant
with any reasonable interpretation of God in Christianity.

Nemesio