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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
All you need to do is provide a single shred of evidence FMF, for you or other secular liberals and once again I have not limited my statements to rape, or the rape of children, but I understand that it suits your insinuations to reduce it to such.

You have pretty much limited your statements to ones about whether or not fellow posters see the rapes as an atrocity, while at the same time now claiming that when you said "these atrocities" when referring to the rapes cited in the OP, you were somehow not referring to the rapes and that the "excuses" you anticipated were somehow not about the atrocities cited in the OP. It just doesn't add up, robbie.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I did not mention rapes, you did, I did not say that they excused rapes, you did, I did
not provide any type of pretext, you did. I have explained my position, I will not do so
again.

The rapes were the atrocities mentioned in the OP. In your response to that OP you said our secular liberal friends will be falling over themselves to excuse these atrocities on some pretext at any moment. People can go and look at the OP and your post for themselves.

Originally posted by FMF
You have pretty much limited your statements to ones about whether or not fellow posters see the rapes as an atrocity, while at the same time now claiming that when you said "these atrocities" when referring to the rapes cited in the OP, you were somehow not referring to the rapes and that the "excuses" you anticipated were somehow not about the atrocities cited in the OP. It just doesn't add up, robbie.

no i have done no such thing, you in your attempt to create some slimy insinuation
limited your comments to the rape of children because that is the type of person you
are, you seek to be emotive, its what trolls do in the hope to get a similar emotive
response. The failure of any type of condemnation is reflective in my mind to either
a lack of interest, which was further compounded by the fact that many objected to
dasas statements while completely ignoring the content. Even if it is not providing
an excuse, its certainly telling on what seems to be more important, forum
transgression or actual atrocity and once again your failure to explain this disparity
or even an attempt to do so is telling for it seems that you cannot explain it in any
terms and the statement therefore stands, you are complicit in your silence, not with
rape, but with not mitigating its seriousness by condemnation of the atrocity
through vocally expressing your condemnation, the fact of which you cannot provide
a single shred of evidence where you or other secular liberals have done so. Its
akin to seeing someone being beaten up and doing or saying nothing.

Originally posted by FMF
The rapes were the atrocities mentioned in the OP. In your response to that OP you said [b]our secular liberal friends will be falling over themselves to excuse these atrocities on some pretext at any moment. People can go and look at the OP and your post for themselves.[/b]

Indeed they can and perhaps like you they will also reduce this statement to a slimy
accusation.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Indeed they can and perhaps like you they will also reduce this statement to a slimy
accusation.

Can you itemize two of three of "these atrocities" detailed in the OP that you anticipated some fellow posters would seek to "excuse", and can you be specific?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
...you are complicit in your silence, not with rape, but with not mitigating its seriousness by condemnation of the atrocity through vocally expressing your condemnation, the fact of which you cannot provide a single shred of evidence where you or other secular liberals have done so.

What "silence"?

Just like you, I have been referring to it as an atrocity all along.

And "complicit"? You think I am "complicit" in what exactly?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The area police are silent on this case of abduction and enforced conversion of minor
Christian girl Aney Tariq.

Perhaps they are also secular liberals, that might explain their silence on the matter.

Or perhaps they are Muslims who don't give a crap about the fate of a 10 year old christian girl.

Originally posted by FMF
What "silence"?

Just like you, I have been referring to it as an atrocity all along.

And "complicit"? You think I am "complicit" in what exactly?

indeed through your lack of condemnation of which you have not provided a shred of
evidence to the contrary, you are complicit in failing to highlight the seriousness of the
atrocities and instead focused on dasas transgression of forum guidelines and while it
does not constitute you excusing atrocities, it certainly does nothing to address the
seriousness of the accounts posted by dasa.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Or perhaps they are Muslims who don't give a crap about the fate of a 10 year old christian girl.

Indeed, but lets not condemn them, after all, they are not representative of all Muslims.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
indeed through your lack of condemnation of which you have not provided a shred of
evidence to the contrary, you are complicit in failing to highlight the seriousness of the
atrocities and instead focused on dasas transgression of forum guidelines and while it
does not constitute you excusing atrocities, it certainly does nothing to address the
seriousness of the accounts posted by dasa.

OK, I accept that you think that you have been more ostentatious in your condemnation of rape than I have.

That aside, can you explain what makes you think that fellow posters "will be falling over themselves to excuse these atrocities on some pretext at any moment"? What do you actually mean by the word "excuse"? And can you explain why it hasn't happened on this thread?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are complicit in failing to highlight the seriousness of the atrocities and instead focused on dasas transgression of forum guidelines

I have been referring to the rapes as atrocities in exactly the same way as you have. And no one has "focused on Dasa's transgression of forum guidelines" on this thread.

Originally posted by FMF
OK, I accept that you think that you have been more ostentatious in your condemnation of rape than I have.

That aside, can you explain what makes you think that fellow posters "will be falling over themselves to excuse these atrocities on some pretext at any moment"? What do you actually mean by the word "excuse"? And can you explain why it hasn't happened on this thread?

yes indeed, attempts made to somehow detract from, obfuscate, mitigate the reality,
the classic being the above, they are not representative of all Muslims, Christians have
also done similar things, what about the crusades, all religions are guilty of such things,
etc etc etc etc etc, which may may be the case, but it hardly diminishes the actions of
those who were Muslims and who did perpetrate these crimes.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes indeed, attempts made to somehow detract from, obfuscate, mitigate the reality,
the classic being the above, they are not representative of all Muslims, Christians have
also done similar things, what about the crusades, all religions are guilty of such things,
etc etc etc etc etc, which may may be the case, but it hardly diminishes the actions of
those who were Muslims and who did perpetrate these crimes.

What did you mean by "excuse" the atrocities? Why won't you answer this? We've had page after page of you talking about whether there has been enough "condemnation" for your satisfaction. But I am interested in why you used the word "excuse" on page 1. Do you have any examples of fellow posters making excuses for rape in the past?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes indeed, attempts made to somehow detract from, obfuscate, mitigate the reality, the classic being the above, they are not representative of all Muslims, Christians have also done similar things, what about the crusades, all religions are guilty of such things,
etc etc etc etc etc,

It was Dasa who suggested that all Muslims are rapists and pedophiles, and that was on another (now deleted) thread, not this one.

Originally posted by FMF
What do you mean by the word "excuse" the atrocities? Why won't you answer this? We've had page after page of you talking "condemnation". I am interested in why you used the word "excuse" on page 1. Do you have any examples of fellow posters making excuses for rape?

I have provided at least four cases in the posts, even if you went blindfold through
them one would hope that you would hit at least one, but no, I will not explain or provide
others if your comprehension is so lax so as not to recognise them when I do. Once
again your attempts to reduce atrocities to rape when in fact they encompass a much
broader spectrum is the work of a troll, its both banal and fairly obvious. If you like,
I'll even number them for you and put little bullet points beside them.