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17 Jul 17
Originally posted by dj2beckerThe fact that you believe your superstitions "are in fact true", and disagreements about the doctrine involved (as canvassed by this thread), is relevant to Christians only. But, your breath has not been completely wasted on me, because we can agree to agree about the jumping out of an aeroplane at 10,000 ft thing that you mentioned. We found some common ground about belief and truth on that matter.
Yes you can dismiss my beliefs as superstition, but if they are in fact true then they are applicable to you whether you believe in them or not.
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17 Jul 17
Originally posted by FMFThat is why I said it is only applicable to you if it is in fact true.
The fact that you believe your superstitions "are in fact true", and disagreements about the doctrine involved (as canvassed by this thread), is relevant to Christians only. But, your breath has not been completely wasted on me, because we can agree to agree about the jumping out of an aeroplane at 10,000 ft thing that you mentioned. We found some common ground about belief and truth on that matter.
17 Jul 17
Originally posted by sonshipI disagree but no time to explain my position now.
In [b]Matthew 10:22 the "saved" probably means "saved" from those who hate us as followers of Jesus.
Saved through this great tribulation to enter into the millennial kingdom as a reward. The hidden kingdom within becomes the manifested kingdom without - outwardly now in glory. Enduring through the tribulation will eventually end in the ...[text shortened]... fering.
The reward of reigning with Christ in the millennium is different. That is a reward.[/b]
17 Jul 17
Originally posted by sonshipThis ...once a man is born of God he cannot be unborn of God.
You have been refuted multiple times - each year.
It is futile to re-refute the same heretic every other day.
It is of no apparent profit to YOU.
You don't even know what it is to be born again apparently from past conversations.
You mangled [b]John 3 about the new birth.
It is no wonder that you have little to no assurance of salvation.
A true very tragic case of deception you are.[/b]
is not in the bible.
Of all the born again Christians,
Some are fruitful and some are not.
Some enter the Kingdom of God. Some do not.
Some are eternally redeemed and Some are not
Some please God and some do not.
You got that .. Mr Dunce. Read your Bible
A born again Christian does not have to be unborn. He can be destroyed...
Paul said that .. not me.
17 Jul 17
Originally posted by dj2beckerYou should be telling this to people who share your beliefs. Bland, generic assertions about how your notions are "applicable" to everybody will get you nowhere in your efforts to superimpose your theories about supernatural things onto the real lives being lived by people who find those theories to be nonsense and incoherent. Like I said, you should be talking to your fellow Christians about it, not to non-Christians.
That is why I said it is only applicable to you if it is in fact true.
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Originally posted by KellyJayFrankly she does. You call her sister. Since she is a daughter of Satan and you call her sister, you are identifying yourself as a son of satan.
Frankly she has nothing to do with what you said about me. You can be unsure about a lot
of things, and not make claims I was okay with sin which I'm not, you can be unsure about
a lot of things and not say I was saying things about you that were not true. I quoted to
you more than once that which I had issues with, nothing about what I said was not true ...[text shortened]... ur conversation giving Satan much more credit
than what he deservers, why would anyone do that?
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Originally posted by FMFAre you opposed to people sharing that which they believe to be true with everyone?
You should be telling this to people who share your beliefs. Bland, generic assertions about how your notions are "applicable" to everybody will get you nowhere in your efforts to superimpose your theories about supernatural things onto the real lives being lived by people who find those theories to be nonsense and incoherent. Like I said, you should be talking to your fellow Christians about it, not to non-Christians.
17 Jul 17
Originally posted by dj2beckerOf course not. How disappointing that you would ask such a juvenile, nose-out-of-joint question of a person who has shared and compared beliefs with you over the course of thousands of posts for over a year. ,
Are you opposed to people sharing that which they believe to be true with everyone?
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Originally posted by Rajk999
A born again Christian does not have to be unborn. He can be destroyed...
Paul said that .. not me.
A Christian will never perish forever.
Jesus said so ... not me.
" And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand..
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, and no one can snatch them out of My Father's hand.
I and the Father are one." (John 10:28-30)
Now as you read, when it gets to the words "by no means perish forever" just shut your eyes tight and clasp your ears close like always. You'll feel better in the morning.
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Because Jesus says that no one can snatch the sheep out of His or the Father's hand (John 10:28-30) , does that mean that He cannot discipline His people ?
No.
We can be un-snatchable from the hand of God and still be disciplined by the Father in any way He deems appropriate.
Blind Rajk999 can't see this.
17 Jul 17
Originally posted by sonshipThe problem here is that no one on earth knows who are the actual Christians.A born again Christian does not have to be unborn. He can be destroyed...
Paul said that .. not me.
A Christian will never perish forever.
Jesus said so ... not me.
[quote] [b] " And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand.
My Father, who has given them ...[text shortened]... t shut your eyes tight and clasp your ears close like always. You'll feel better in the morning.
So both of you agree and disagree at the same time. You quibble over technicalities and meaning of words.
17 Jul 17
Originally posted by sonshipActually I see all that Jesus says.
Because Jesus says that no one can snatch the sheep out of His or the Father's hand [b](John 10:28-30) , does that mean that He cannot discipline His people ?
No.
We can be un-snatchable from the hand of God and still be disciplined by the Father in any way He deems appropriate.
Blind Rajk999 can't see this.[/b]
SOME are sheep that will never perish and have eternal security.
SOME are evil Christians and they will perish.
That is the whole story. You are taking one half of what Jesus says.
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Originally posted by Eladar
The problem here is that no one on earth knows who are the actual Christians.
So both of you agree and disagree at the same time. You quibble over technicalities and meaning of words.
The problem here is that no one on earth knows who are the actual Christians.
I don't have to know to follow the Lord Jesus - "YOU ... follow Me".
To be faithful to follow the One Who calls me, it is not necessary that I be omniscient.
That is God's affair.
I do not seek to be ambiguous about my salvation or the salvation of those whom I may preach the gospel to. But in spite of the fact that I do not seek ambiguity, we disciples will at some time make a mistake as to who is a real Christian - (Matt. 13:24-30)
So:
1.) The disciples should endeavor to be definite concerning their salvation and that of those whom they lead to Christ.
2.) At the same time the disciples should humbly realize that their discernment is not as infallible as that of God's.
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17 Jul 17
So both of you agree and disagree at the same time. You quibble over technicalities and meaning of words.
No. Our differences go deeper than "quibbles" about that I think.
Rajk999 doesn't understand regeneration.
And he thinks faith PLUS keeping the law is the way of eternal life.
He has a "faith plus something else" heretical view of eternal redemption.
Allow me to say something about your problem as I see it.
You minister hatred for sin as the main ingredient for being a Christian.
I mean you seem to hope that if more hate and more hate and more hate for bad behavior can be generated that will fuel a person to live right.
More intense hatred for sinning may do nothing at all to help a person live unto God.
Touching Christ and letting Christ live out from within is the way to victory.
Centering ON sins is not that helpful.
Centering ON the living Jesus Christ is effective for victory.
"You have to hate sinning more. You have to hate sinning more. "
This may stir up the emotion and will power to be self willed.
This leads to a kind of self improvement with the natural will power.
But it is more effective to get people to enjoy something better - living by Christ the Victor.
You and I cannot make it no matter how much we intensify our hatred of sinning.
But by receiving the Spirit of Christ and turning our hearts to let Him be everything we need, we can overcome.