End times

@secondson said
And what makes the whole process more strange to witness is the fact that Galveston has the mind of a person brainwashed but a cult.

Your mind seems very similar to his.

@fmf said
I don't really see how whatever you happen to think is "accepted scholarship" affects what I say to galveston75.

It's really not about what you or I think, but about what the truth is.

What we think is a secondary cause.

@fmf said
Immortality for humans is a supernatural notion.

Where did I say the word immortal?

@fmf said
Galveston75 believes the world will be destroyed. My point is, as I said, if the human race gets wiped out, whether people were using the word "planet" or "world" beforehand to refer to their habitat, then what does it matter? Death is the end. And if humans become extinct, then so will language.

I thought my explanation by way of scriptures from the Bible was a fairly simple one if one is wanting to learn. You don't understand because you have no desire to learn.......Anything!

@fmf said
galveston75 believes the world is being destroyed by the human race behaviour. He mentioned pollution for example. If the Earth becomes uninhabitable and "the world " is destroyed, then I believe it will be because of natural causes not supernatural ones. Quibbling over the terms "the planet" and "the world" [and which gets destroyed, and therefore where all the supposedly immortal Jehovah's Witnesses will live] is, in my view, moot.

"I believe it will be because of natural causes not supernatural ones".

I agree, in part.

Yes, man could destroy life on earth by nuclear means, which would be the ultimate pollution.

Yes, the sun could supernova and the whole earth would be incinerated.

The Bible knows nothing of any of that.

@secondson said
It's really not about what you or I think, but about what the truth is.

What we think is a secondary cause.

Nonsense. This forum's one and only "cause" is discussing we think.

@galveston75 said
I thought my explanation by way of scriptures from the Bible was a fairly simple one if one is wanting to learn. You don't understand because you have no desire to learn.......Anything!

This isn't a blog where you get to "teach". This is a debate and discussion forum.

@fmf said
That's what this forum is for: debating with people who have different beliefs.

Of course. But there are rules of debate, both personal and corporate, with moral and ethical guidelines.

For example: never put an obstacle in the path of the blind.

@secondson said
Yet you debate with Galveston while not believing a word he says.

Do you think people should not be debating with people who have different beliefs?

@fmf said
Your mind seems very similar to his.

Couldn't be more different, but how would you know seeing as your own mind is not much different than Galveston's?

While you both may think differently, you both don't know the truth about who Jesus Christ is.

The only real difference is that you know what the Bible says about who Jesus Christ is. Galveston doesn't believe it and neither do you.

@galveston75 said
Where did I say the word immortal?

Do you believe life is finite and that death is the end? If you don't, then you believe in immortality a.k.a. everlasting life.

@secondson said
Couldn't be more different, but how would you know seeing as your own mind is not much different than Galveston's?

My mind is not much different from galveston75's?

@fmf said
Nonsense. This forum's one and only "cause" is discussing we think.

And we think and think and discuss and discuss. All of which was thought of and discussed long before we existed.

There is the primary cause, which is the mind of God, all other thoughts and words articulated in discussion are secondary causes.

God caused, and man spirals off in any direction his thoughts take him except back to God.

@secondson said
And what makes the whole process more strange to witness is the fact that Galveston has the mind of a person brainwashed but a cult.

You both resort to reciting doctrines that you have rote-learned and seem very weak defending them aside from asserting that those doctrines are "absolute" truths etc. You have that in common. Do you think of yourself as less "brainwashed" than him?

@secondson said
"I believe it will be because of natural causes not supernatural ones".

I agree, in part.

Yes, man could destroy life on earth by nuclear means, which would be the ultimate pollution.

Yes, the sun could supernova and the whole earth would be incinerated.

The Bible knows nothing of any of that.

Well yes it does. Matt the 24th chapter with some it's warnings did apply to that time period before the destruction of Jerusalem. But there was a second much more serious description of warnings of what would happen later towards the last days before Armageddon. Some of these warnings did not apply to that earlier time period because they simply did not happen on a global scale at that time. Jesus's warnings showed much larger events that would happen later that no one would survive if it were not going to be stopped by Jehovah.

Matt:24: 24 Now as Jesus was departing from the temple, his disciples approached to show him the buildings of the temple. 2 In response he said to them: “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, by no means will a stone be left here upon a stone and not be thrown down.” ( This is referring to the destruction of Jerusalem.)

3 While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”

( This was a question the Apostles asked Jesus about a farther time into the future about his coming presence. )

4 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
9 “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and mislead many 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold. 13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved. 14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy placer (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains. 17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, 18 and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. 19 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! 20 Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; 21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

This is Jesus expressing the seriousness of the last days yet to come and all that will happen. It clearly says that unless those days or time period were not stopped by an event that is directed from heaven, NO FLESH WOULD SURVIVE! Not my words or opinions or something the WTS has made up. It's in your bible and needs to be understood correctly.