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i would say time exists only as long as there is matter. when we think of time in the context of space and eternity we should be using the word matter instead. what we dont know is where matter comes from, where its going, how many dimensions it operates in and how these dimensions interact with each other. until then id say we have no idea if there is 'eternity' in any form.
13 Apr 12
Originally posted by stellspalfieYou can only wrap you mind around time as long as there is matter, that does not
i would say time exists only as long as there is matter. when we think of time in the context of space and eternity we should be using the word matter instead. what we dont know is where matter comes from, where its going, how many dimensions it operates in and how these dimensions interact with each other. until then id say we have no idea if there is 'eternity' in any form.
mean time cannot be real without matter.
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Originally posted by KellyJaytime is a word we have constructed to describe an event. if there is nothing left for there to be an event then there is no time. i believe nothing exists with out matter, i guess this is where religion comes into the picture for some people.
You can only wrap you mind around time as long as there is matter, that does not
mean time cannot be real without matter.
Kelly
13 Apr 12
Originally posted by KellyJayI'm not sure, but I think it does mean that, at least I believe it has been demonstrated that time is a function of the interaction between the "fabric" of space and mass - usually a lot of mass.
You can only wrap you mind around time as long as there is matter, that does not
mean time cannot be real without matter.
Kelly
The further a clock is from a planet for example, the slower time travels for the clock. Similar to travelling fast ... I think.
If eternity is the absence of time, does it require the absence of mass?
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Originally posted by KellyJayI would replace "matter" with "substance" with a similar intention as stellspalfie might have. Can there be a universe where there is nothing other than the passage of time? Does it make any sense? If not, then whatever is there besides the passage of time, is the substance or are the substances of that universe. It seems to me that something has to be there to be involved in events, which are spread out over time to keep them from, as Bergson said, happening all at once. 🙂
You can only wrap you mind around time as long as there is matter, that does not
mean time cannot be real without matter.
Kelly
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/substance/
13 Apr 12
Originally posted by KellyJayTime dilation shows that the duration of time may vary for various events and various reference frames. The rate we monitor as regards the time that passes for an observer depends on the observer’s velocity (according to our cognizant apparatus) and on the strength of the gravitational fields. So time, space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter; therefore time cannot exist separated from matter😵
You can only wrap you mind around time as long as there is matter, that does not
mean time cannot be real without matter.
Kelly
13 Apr 12
Originally posted by stellspalfieSo you say.
time is a word we have constructed to describe an event. if there is nothing left for there to be an event then there is no time. i believe nothing exists with out matter, i guess this is where religion comes into the picture for some people.
Kelly
13 Apr 12
Originally posted by JS357You are marking time by substance again as if time requires it, we may require it
I would replace "matter" with "substance" with a similar intention as stellspalfie might have. Can there be a universe where there is nothing other than the passage of time? Does it make any sense? If not, then whatever is there besides the passage of time, is the substance or are the substances of that universe. It seems to me that something has to be there t ...[text shortened]... , as Bergson said, happening all at once. 🙂
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/substance/
but does time?
Kelly
13 Apr 12
Originally posted by black beetleI'd say our grasp of it cannot, that still does not mean that time cannot.
Time dilation shows that the duration of time may vary for various events and various reference frames. The rate we monitor as regards the time that passes for an observer depends on the observer’s velocity (according to our cognizant apparatus) and on the strength of the gravitational fields. So time, space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter; therefore time cannot exist separated from matter😵
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Originally posted by KellyJayAgain?
You are marking time by substance again as if time requires it, we may require it
but does time?
Kelly
Substance isn't matter, philosophically speaking. Think of substance as that which has properties. For example, substance dualism can envision mind and matter as substances.
"Substance dualism is a type of dualism most famously defended by Descartes, which states that there are two fundamental kinds of substance: mental and material.[6] According to his philosophy, which is specifically called Cartesian dualism, the mental does not have extension in space, and the material cannot think. Substance dualism is important historically for having given rise to much thought regarding the famous mind–body problem. Substance dualism is a philosophical position compatible with most theologies which claim that immortal souls occupy an independent "realm" of existence distinct from that of the physical world."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_%28philosophy_of_mind%29#Substance_dualism
I think it would be compatible with the idea that we are soul and body.
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Originally posted by KellyJayit's an abstract concept. time is only meaningful if there are conscious entities measuring the rate of positional change between two or more particles.
You are marking time by substance again as if time requires it, we may require it
but does time?
Kelly
the only thing time really requires is movement.