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04 Oct 13
Originally posted by 667joeAnd that is BAD because of what ?
Religion is the biggest hoax of all time!
If hoaxing people is profitable to the evolutionary process so what ?
Evolution doesn't care about what is true or what is hoax. It only cares what behavior furthers the survival chances of the species.
Why is hoaxing people evil if this hoaxing causes the more fit to survive ?
05 Oct 13
Originally posted by sonshipHe didn't say it was bad ... just that it was a hoax.
And that is BAD because of what ?
If hoaxing people is profitable to the evolutionary process so what ?
Evolution doesn't care about what is true or what is hoax. It only cares what behavior furthers the survival chances of the species.
Why is hoaxing people evil if this hoaxing causes the more fit to survive ?
Nevertheless hoodwinking people into believing a lie cannot be good, and
even if one religion were true the others are false!
Hoaxing people good for the evolutionary process? What the hell does
that mean? If you are trying to say that some individuals benefit by lying
and that they may pass on that skill (genetically) then yes. Afterall we have
evolved with the ability to lie. However it tends to be socially unacceptable
as it does not benefit society. Which is why societies have evolved and
produced laws against conmen and fraudsters.
And evolution 'not caring' ??? How can a natural process have feelings?
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05 Oct 13
He didn't say it was bad ... just that it was a hoax. /quote]
Brilliant Sherlock. You mean he is NOT implying that a HOAX is bad ?
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Nevertheless hoodwinking people into believing a lie cannot be good, and
even if one religion were true the others are false!
You have the same problem. Who said a lie cannot be good ?
Evolution will develop good liars if good liars will help the species to survive.
Evolution doesn't care for the morality of truth telling or lying, only what causes the species to survive.
What? You just don't LIKE lying ? Well I prefer grilled to crispy at the chicken sandwich place.
Hoaxing people good for the evolutionary process? What the hell does
that mean?
I believe I said IF it is good.
Aren't you the one replacing a Creator with a Moral governorship with a pure material process - Evolution ?
If no Moral Governor to make man in His own image but only a mindless random rearranging of material with the lucky coming out in survival, then what difference does it make? Hoaxes are neutral. Hoaxes have no goodness or badness to them.
The only question is will hoaxes help the fittest to survive. So where comes your annoyance that hoaxes are not good ?
If you are trying to say that some individuals benefit by lying
and that they may pass on that skill (genetically) then yes. Afterall we have evolved with the ability to lie.
Then why does truth matter ? The survival of the species is all that matters to evolution.
If you complain that hoaxes and lying are somehow evil then you must mean that before the process of evolution even got started there existed some GOOD out there.
What is that ? How much does it weigh ?
However it tends to be socially unacceptable
as it does not benefit society. Which is why societies have evolved and
produced laws against conmen and fraudsters.
The moral conscience in man wanting to discourage deception must be based on something else if it is not mere rearranged matter.
It seems that your explanation imagines that there is a good out there towards which we want to evolve. Doesn't that mean that it was there first ?
What is that good ? Do you have some in a testube that we can examine maybe ? How much does it weigh ? And how come we want to go after it ?
And how come you don't have to teach a child to lie ? They pick it up very automatically. Rather you have to TEACH the child the value of being truthful.
Why hasn't evolution evolved us into a truth telling infant from very young ?
And socially acceptable ? The Nazis found it socially acceptable to murder six million Jews. Is all that is socially acceptable okay then ?
And evolution 'not caring' ??? How can a natural process have feelings?
But if you say evolution "selects" or does not "select" (natural selection) why can't I say that evolution "cares" or "not cares" ?
06 Oct 13
Originally posted by sonshipSo much rubbish in a single post!
But if you say evolution "selects" or does not "select" (natural selection) why can't I say that evolution "cares" or "not cares" ?[/b]
So I'll just deal with the final idiocy.
I do not say "evolution selects".
It (evolution) does nothing it is a theory, a concept, a word to describe a natural process.
Saying evolution "cares" or "not cares" makes you a fool.
06 Oct 13
Originally posted by sonshipIf you want to debate this point or any other point in your rant then
[quote] He didn't say it was bad ... just that it was a hoax. /quote]
Brilliant Sherlock. You mean he is NOT implying that a HOAX is bad ?
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start a thread so that it can be discussed sensibly and stay on topic.
Neither of which you seem capable of.
PS He did not say it was bad did he?