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Originally posted by aardvarkhomeI am afraid you are the one that is raving.
Has the medication run low DJ2? You appear to be raving. Who are these people using evolution in some non scientific way? The only people I'm aware of using evolution as a philosophy / religion are the fundies who busily set up some bizarre notion of what evolution is about just so they can froth at the mouth and rave about it.
The human genome has ...[text shortened]... apes and 60% similarity with bananas; I suspect the banana portion is taking over your mind dj2.
I think you need to educate yourself regarding Secular Humanism.
see:http://www.secular-humanism.com/
Originally posted by dj2beckerNo it doesn't.
Christianity teaches that life is sacred.
Evolution teaches the opposite.
The OT god is forever smiting people. People turned into pillars of salt, drowned by flooding, done to death in all sorts of ways. The bible teaches that god is an agry god and will strike you down withoput a thought. The fundies even reject 'thou shall not kill', preferring 'thou shall not commit murder'.
The history of christianity is soaked with blood.
Do us a favour banana boy.
Originally posted by dj2beckerI'm neither a christian nor a Secular Humanist. I speak and think for myself. I see no Secular Humanist conspiract other than that set up by fundies as a ghost to frighten themselves with
I am afraid you are the one that is raving.
I think you need to educate yourself regarding Secular Humanism.
see:http://www.secular-humanism.com/
Originally posted by aardvarkhomeIt takes practice to make it sound sinister though. "You...secular humanist!" Things were simpler when Satan had all the limelight to himself.
I'm neither a christian nor a Secular Humanist. I speak and think for myself. I see no Secular Humanist conspiract other than that set up by fundies as a ghost to frighten themselves with
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Originally posted by aardvarkhomeYou are looking at only one side of the coin pal.
No it doesn't.
The OT god is forever smiting people. People turned into pillars of salt, drowned by flooding, done to death in all sorts of ways. The bible teaches that god is an agry god and will strike you down withoput a thought. The fundies even reject 'thou shall not kill', preferring 'thou shall not commit murder'.
The history of christianity is soaked with blood.
Do us a favour banana boy.
The whole concept of charity was a Christian innovation. Benevolence to strangers was unknown before Christ. The teachings and example of Jesus Christ have inspired the greatest acts of generosity, hospitality, self-sacrifice and service for the poor, sick and needy over 2000 years.
Before the advent of Christianity every culture practised slavery and human sacrifice – even the highly esteemed Greek and Roman civilisations. Child sacrifice was common among the pagan religions. The Aztec Empire in Mexico and the Inca Empire in Peru engaged in slavery, ritual rapes and mass human sacrifice. Suttee, the burning of widows on the funeral pyres of their husbands, was common practice in Hindu India before the missionary William Carey arrived.
Slavery was eradicated as a result of the tireless efforts of Christians such as William Wilberforce and David Livingstone. Respect for life and liberty are a fruit of Christianity. Those promoting abortion, euthanasia and pornography are not offering us progress, but only a return to pre-Christian paganism.
I can go on and on.
Originally posted by dj2becker
The whole concept of charity was a Christian innovation. Benevolence to strangers was unknown before Christ. The teachings and example of Jesus Christ have inspired the greatest acts of generosity, hospitality, self-sacrifice and service for the poor, sick and needy over 2000 years.
Where do you get these things from? Do you honestly believe that there was no such thing as charity before Jesus? If you really believe this, I am utterly dumbfounded.
Before the advent of Christianity every culture practised slavery and human sacrifice – even the highly esteemed Greek and Roman civilisations. Child sacrifice was common among the pagan religions. The Aztec Empire in Mexico and the Inca Empire in Peru engaged in slavery, ritual rapes and mass human sacrifice. Suttee, the burning of widows on the funeral pyres of their husbands, was common practice in Hindu India before the missionary William Carey arrived.
Lets not forget that your god also encouraged human sacrifice.
Slavery was eradicated as a result of the tireless efforts of Christians such as William Wilberforce and David Livingstone.
Christians may well have been involved, but this does not dismiss the fact that non-christians were as well. The abolishment of slavery does not lie wholly in the realm of christianity.
Respect for life and liberty are a fruit of Christianity.
Not true, respect for life has been taught in many cultures and religions, stop trying to lay claim to the actions of others. Christianity may preach these things, it did not invent them.
Those promoting abortion, euthanasia and pornography are not offering us progress, but only a return to pre-Christian paganism.
And how is Christianity offering us progress? A religion that is now a couple of thousand years old, still preaches the same social values that were in effect back then, despite the fact that the world has changed dramatically. If people were to wholly accept it, we would cease to progress anywhere.
I can go on and on.
You frequemtly do, I'm not sure you need to remind us all.
Originally posted by dj2beckerGoing on and on isn't hard when you're copying "In Touch Missions" ( www.intouchmission.org ) nearly word for word with no attribution:
You are looking at only one side of the coin pal.
The whole concept of charity was a Christian innovation. Benevolence to strangers was unknown before Christ. The teachings and example of Jesus Christ have inspired the greatest acts of generosity, hospitality, self-sacrifice and service for the poor, sick and needy over 2000 years.
Before the advent ...[text shortened]... re not offering us progress, but only a return to pre-Christian paganism.
I can go on and on.
http://www.intouchmission.org/reports/main.htm?http://www.intouchmission.org/reports/archives/000123.html
And while I hardly feel like responding to blatant plagiarism, were the American slavers not Christians?
Originally posted by dj2beckerThis is a lie.
The whole concept of charity was a Christian innovation.
The Ancient Greeks practised charity (in a form remarkably similar to that of Victorian Great Britain). Judaism espouses charity. The traditional Hindu forms of charity are dana & dakshina. I could go on & on.
This might interest you:
http://www.learningtogive.org/papers/index.asp?bpid=8
Originally posted by dj2beckeri don't care what your book says. this is an easy concept to understand despite your obvious inability to grasp it; we don't need any books to help us out here. nothing in the realm of ethics (what constitutes good or bad, what our moral obligations and duties are, etc.) follows necessarily from evolutionary theory. the evolutionist can be a complete scumbag or he can be the nicest, kindest person you would ever want to meet. he can think there is no purpose to life, or he can think there is an ultimate purpose to life; in fact, the evolutionist can be a theist as well. it depends on the evolutionist's own moral leanings, which is a completely separate issue from evolutionary theory. what you are doing is singling out the most heinous, despicable evolutionists you can think of and then charging evolutionary theory with their moral shortcomings. that is a fallacious argument, and it is getting old. if one operated on your grade school level, one might be inclined to do the same to you. he could single out all the most despicable creationists and then blanketly charge creationism with their crimes against humanity. after all, just because someone claims to be a christian (for example) does not NOT make them a complete douche bag.
I suggest you read "Battle for Truth" by David Noebel.
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Originally posted by echeceroHere is the link:
Going on and on isn't hard when you're copying "In Touch Missions" ( www.intouchmission.org ) nearly word for word with no attribution:
http://www.intouchmission.org/reports/main.htm?http://www.intouchmission.org/reports/archives/000123.html
And while I hardly feel like responding to blatant plagiarism, were the American slavers not Christians?
http://www.christianaction.org.za/articles_ca/2004-3-DoChristiansCare.htm
Originally posted by Bosse de NageAn excellent point, too bad it will probably be ignored so he can latch onto something else and pretend you never refuted the "christians invented charity" thing.
This is a lie.
The Ancient Greeks practised charity (in a form remarkably similar to that of Victorian Great Britain). Judaism espouses charity. The traditional Hindu forms of charity are dana & dakshina. I could go on & on.
This might interest you:
http://www.learningtogive.org/papers/index.asp?bpid=8