Flesh or spirit?

Originally posted by @secondson
Rajk999

Am I right. Am I right? Do I win the go-to-heaven-for-free pass?

No No and No

Originally posted by @rajk999
No No and No

I take then that you think Isaiah was lying in chapter 9 verse 6.

Originally posted by @secondson
I take then that you think Isaiah was lying in chapter 9 verse 6.

My focus is God, Christ and the teachings of the Apostles as these were sent to the Gentiles.

God said that Jesus is His Son
Jesus said that God is His Father
Jesus said that God is greater than Him
Paul said that God is greater than Christ
Thats good enough for me.

Not really bothered by what Isaiah says or does not say.

Originally posted by @rajk999
My focus is God, Christ and the teachings of the Apostles as these were sent to the Gentiles.

Not really bothered by what Isaiah says or does not say.

I guess you missed what the apostle Paul wrote in 2 Timothy 3:17&17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Perhaps that is where you went wrong. Perhaps that's why there are so many holes in your doctrine. You just cherry pick the Word to pieces and put it back together again to suit your doctrinal bias.

Originally posted by @secondson
I guess you missed what the apostle Paul wrote in 2 Timothy 3:17&17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Perhaps that is where you went wrong. Perhaps that's why there are ...[text shortened]... just cherry pick the Word to pieces and put it back together again to suit your doctrinal bias.

I think what God said about Christ. what Christ said about God... thats pretty clear.

Im good.. thanks for your concern

Originally posted by @rajk999
I think what God said about Christ. what Christ said about God... thats pretty clear.

Im good.. thanks for your concern

But you lack experience.

You don't have experience of not being able to detect within any difference between God / Jesus / Father / Holy Spirit.

You have mental speculation and figuration.
You don't have experience of His Person.

Question for Watchtower students - Jehovah's Witnesses:

If Jesus did not resurrect in His own physical body why did He say if they destroyed His body He would raise it in three days?

"Jesus answered and said to them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (John 3:19)
...
But he spoke of the temple of His body.

When therefore He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken." (v.22)

Was what was raised in three days the body of Jesus or not?

Perhaps they will argue that sometimes the disciples did not recognize Him after the resurrection. I would agree. But if it was not His body then He would have been lying.

"But He spoke of the temple of His body." (v.21)

Galveston, you've been challenged.

Originally posted by @sonship
But you lack experience.

You don't have experience of not being able to detect within any difference between God / Jesus / Father / Holy Spirit.

You have mental speculation and figuration.
You don't have experience of His Person.

If this experience got you like that, then I want no part of it.
Keep it to yourself.

Originally posted by @rajk999
If this experience got you like that, then I want no part of it.
Keep it to yourself.

So why did you leave the Jehovah's Witnesses (if you did)?
Did you get into some kind of battle over turf or leadership?

I bet at that time "Doing good things" was going from door to door witnessing. But I think that since you may have left or been disfellowshipped you don't emphasize that work as your "good-doing."

Was it after kingdom hall rejection that you vowed to disdain in contempt every congregation or so-called church evermore ?

Am I close?

Originally posted by @sonship
So why did you leave the Jehovah's Witnesses (if you did)?
Did you get into some kind of battle over turf or leadership?

I bet at that time "Doing good things" was going from door to door witnessing. But I think that since you may have left or been disfellowshipped you don't emphasize that work as your "good-doing."

Was it after kingdom hall rejectio ...[text shortened]... sdain in contempt [b]every congregation or so-called church evermore ?

Am I close?[/b]

Small minded people continue to discuss people
The only thing goats are close to is damnation

Originally posted by @sonship
Question for Watchtower students - Jehovah's Witnesses:

If Jesus did not resurrect in His own physical body why did He say if they destroyed His body He would raise it in three days?

[b] "Jesus answered and said to them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (John 3:19)
...
But he spoke of the temple of His body.

Whe ...[text shortened]... He spoke of the temple of His body." (v.21)

Galveston, you've been challenged.[/b]

"If Jesus did not resurrect in His own physical body why did He say if they destroyed His body He would raise it in three days? "

Oh my gosh..is this a serious question????? Can't be but good try.....

Originally posted by @galveston75
"If Jesus did not resurrect in His own physical body why did He say if they destroyed His body He would raise it in three days? "

Oh my gosh..is this a serious question????? Can't be but good try.....

So you think ridicule is a good defense?
So you think trivialization of my question is an effective rebuttal?

I think people can see that the emperor has no cloths - you.

Notice now.

Galveston is a polytheist.
He will insist that Jehovah is the only true God. But according to his rendering of John 1:1 there is another god - the Logos, the Word.

Now he won't say that this other god - Christ, is a false god.
So if it is not a false god then it must be a genuine god.
Then he is a polytheist who believes in many gods.

Jehovah however says that NO god was formed after Him.

"You are My witnesses, declares Jehovah, ... Before Me there was no God formed.

Neither will there be any after Me.

I, even I am Jehovah, And there is no Savior besides Me." (See Isaiah 43:10-12)

Was there another genuine god created after Jehovah?
No.

Galveston has now retreated to a tactic of answering these matters with ridicule as if "We all know that this makes no sense. nudge, nudge".

Let's see how he explains either:

1.) Christ was a genuine God created after Jehovah - OR
2.) Christ is a false God.

Ie. NWT update: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a [false] God."

Originally posted by @sonship
Notice now.

Galveston is a polytheist.
He will insist that Jehovah is the only true God. But according to his rendering of [b]John 1:1 there is another god - the Logos, the Word.

Now he won't say that this other god - Christ, is a false god.
So if it is not a false god then it must be a genuine god.
Then he is a polytheist who believes in man ...[text shortened]... "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a [false] God." [/i][/b]

I think Galveston must occasionally obey the rule of the JW's not to talk to people like me.

What about "... flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God?" (1 Cor. 15:50)

Whatever this means it cannot mean that in the millennium Christ is a "spirit creature".

As a genuine man He drinks wine with genuine humans and in celebration of His kingdom.

Matthew 26:29

American Standard Version
But I say unto you, I shall not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And I say to you, I will not drink from henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I shall drink it with you new in the kingdom of my Father.

Darby Bible Translation
But I say to you, that I will not at all drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in the kingdom of my Father.