Flood intervention?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Highly doubtful you'll ever stand before God.

True that. Like the rest of you schlubs, I'll be on my face.

Originally posted by Penguin
If God intervened to stop it then I would be wanting a bloody good answer to why he allowed it to start in the first place!

--- Penguin.

Good point. This idea shows that God as far as the Bible indicates does not start or stop such things as this. My last post explains this.
This does not mean that God does not care, far from it. But because man now reaps the affects of Adams sin that we all suffer from, the distance that man in general has put between himself and God has created the result that we no longer have his protection against such events as flooding, earthquakes, etc.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Highly doubtful that when you're standing before God, that your stance will be one of defiance.

If that were the case it would be for one of two reasons:
1. He is a tyrant who rules through fear
2. He is a manipulator who rules by mind control and is able to make people loose their sense of reason.

Seriously, I'm sure plenty of people were praying in Haiti and in new Orleans and countless other disasters when there was no convenient change in the weather. If you give credit to God for stopping the floods in Australia then you have to blame him for not stopping all the other natural disasters.

--- Penguin.

Originally posted by Penguin
If that were the case it would be for one of two reasons:
1. He is a tyrant who rules through fear
2. He is a manipulator who rules by mind control and is able to make people loose their sense of reason.

Seriously, I'm sure plenty of people were praying in Haiti and in new Orleans and countless other disasters when there was no convenient change in the ...[text shortened]... you have to blame him for [b]not stopping all the other natural disasters.

--- Penguin.[/b]

Spoken like a man woefully ignorant of reality. You seem rather convinced of your own intellectual prowess, but sadly, this will garner you no points in the end. Hell, it doesn't even offer you solace now!

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
True that. Like the rest of you schlubs, I'll be on my face.

With your God 'bare-back' riding you in a cowboy hat laughing -

'You stupid human, how did you ever think that someone who was responsible for so much pain and misery could be the 'good-guy'?

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Spoken like a man woefully ignorant of reality. You seem rather convinced of your own intellectual prowess, but sadly, this will garner you no points in the end. Hell, it doesn't even offer you solace now!

yeah fine. But where is the flaw in my argument?

--- Penguin

Originally posted by Penguin
If God intervened to stop it then I would be wanting a bloody good answer to why he allowed it to start in the first place!

--- Penguin.

This is not my view, but I would venture to say that maybe "He" started it to test the faith off his people.
"Hey!!Look at me!I can bring you to the point of extinction and then just pull it back at the last moment. See how powerful I am!"

Originally posted by karoly aczel
This is not my view, but I would venture to say that maybe "He" started it to test the faith off his people.
"Hey!!Look at me!I can bring you to the point of extinction and then just pull it back at the last moment. See how powerful I am!"

Hum...Actually there is nothing to support that thought in the Bible that God test any of us that way. The couple the Bible does mention is of course Adam & Eve but they were perfect and should have passed the test God put before them.
And another was when he did test Abraham with his son Isaac but once Abraham showed God he would follow his command and proved faithful, God stopped that event from happening.
But no where in the Bible does it even hint that God causes natural disasters that test us or take human lifes.
This is another flase teaching that some churches have used to control their members.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
but generally, i believe god ceased his intervention on earth. we have reached a point where we can work things out for ourselves.[/b]

That is one perspective. Another perspective is that he stands aside to let us work things out for ourselves if we so desire. However, if we choose to include him he may work wonders.

Originally posted by Penguin
If that were the case it would be for one of two reasons:
1. He is a tyrant who rules through fear
2. He is a manipulator who rules by mind control and is able to make people loose their sense of reason.

Seriously, I'm sure plenty of people were praying in Haiti and in new Orleans and countless other disasters when there was no convenient change in the ...[text shortened]... you have to blame him for [b]not stopping all the other natural disasters.

--- Penguin.[/b]

If God were in control do you think he would have sanctioned large numbers of people living below sea level?

New Orleans anyone?

Originally posted by Penguin
yeah fine. But where is the flaw in my argument?

--- Penguin

Really? I was under the impression that a flawed premise--- not matter how professionally articulated and fleshed out--- cannot help but result in a wrong conclusion.

Your ignorance of reality keep you from seeing it aright, thus the need for the baseless incendiary language, which forms the basis of your premise.

See how that all works out so neatly?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
With your God 'bare-back' riding you in a cowboy hat laughing -

'You stupid human, how did you ever think that someone who was responsible for so much pain and misery could be the 'good-guy'?

Funny. Even though we all know it is not the case, if a person could be condemned to hell for general douche baggery, you'd be somewhere in that waiting line.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Really? I was under the impression that a flawed premise--- not matter how professionally articulated and fleshed out--- cannot help but result in a wrong conclusion.

Your ignorance of reality keep you from seeing it aright, thus the need for the baseless incendiary language, which forms the basis of your premise.

See how that all works out so neatly?

You seem to be resorting to personal insults, maybe not against me but certainly against Proper Knob (though I can see how you may have been offended).

But I still don't see a problem with either the premise or the argument:

You are crediting God with ending a natural event. Why are you not also crediting him with starting it?

--- Penguin

Originally posted by Penguin
You seem to be resorting to personal insults, maybe not against me but certainly against Proper Knob (though I can see how you may have been offended).

But I still don't see a problem with either the premise or the argument:

You are crediting God with ending a natural event. Why are you not also crediting him with starting it?

--- Penguin

Which event am I crediting God with, exactly?

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Which event am I crediting God with, exactly?

At the start of this thread, karoly aczel said:

I was debating this with my gal and she seemed to think that only "modern christians "(whatever that means), subscribed heavily to the notion that their god directly affected the weather.
Well does He?
Because , I tell you what, I bet a lot of christians got their prayers answered for the rain to subside just when we were bracing for the absolute worst.

So the implication is that (some/many) Christians believe that God intervened to halt the flooding in Australia in response to prayers.

If they credit him with stopping the floods, why do they not credit him with starting them?

--- Penguin.