23 Sep 13
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Originally posted by KellyJayYou would perhaps be speaking of prayer in schools now outlawed?
Well that I agree with, all laws have to stand on their own merit. The issues
will arise when someone forces another to do something against their will.
How do you feel about government forcing people to act against their own
belief systems? That cuts both ways you know, where someone of faith can
have their lives stamped on by the government too.
Kelly
I would condemn those religious nutters only when they try to insinuate their dogma into law. That is the antithesis of separation of church and state.
Are you so naive as to think there is not such an effort going on to force creationism to be taught as if it were a science along side evolution in a science class?
I see nothing wrong with teaching ANY religious stance in a religion class but that is not what they want. They already have that at christian universities, what they want is to intrude on the public, forcing this abhorrent policy on an already strained public educational system.
23 Sep 13
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Originally posted by sonhouseI don't care who prays in school, I don't want anyone forced into it. I do
You would perhaps be speaking of prayer in schools now outlawed?
I would condemn those religious nutters only when they try to insinuate their dogma into law. That is the antithesis of separation of church and state.
Are you so naive as to think there is not such an effort going on to force creationism to be taught as if it were a science along side ...[text shortened]... e on the public, forcing this abhorrent policy on an already strained public educational system.
not think its the states right to teach religious beliefs to my kids or others.
The issues arise when we start to define what is a proper "religious belief"
with some it goes from what they wear, eat, drink, how they talk, what
they think about it, covers their lives completely, others its a matter of what
they do on a Sunday or Saturday morning only, than its promptly forgotten.
Kelly
23 Sep 13
Originally posted by KellyJayOf course, that is the average joe or jane Christian. I am not talking about those folk. I am talking about the right wingers who want to politicize religion and force it into a law about teaching creationism in a science class and, assuming they achieve that, going on to bigger and better things (in their own mind) about controlling people's lives and so forth. The ones that quietly practice their religion, whether it be full body dunking baptism or snake worshipers I could give a crap less. It's when they attempt a takeover of government that I put my foot down, preferably on their throats🙂
I don\'t care who prays in school, I don\'t want anyone forced into it. I do
not think its the states right to teach religious beliefs to my kids or others.
The issues arise when we start to define what is a proper \"religious belief\"
with some it goes from what they wear, eat, drink, how they talk, what
they think about it, covers their lives completely ...[text shortened]... atter of what
they do on a Sunday or Saturday morning only, than its promptly forgotten.
Kelly
23 Sep 13
Originally posted by sonhouseExcept you lumped all people of faith as if they were those that did all the
Of course, that is the average joe or jane Christian. I am not talking about those folk. I am talking about the right wingers who want to politicize religion and force it into a law about teaching creationism in a science class and, assuming they achieve that, going on to bigger and better things (in their own mind) about controlling people\'s lives and so f ...[text shortened]... hen they attempt a takeover of government that I put my foot down, preferably on their throats🙂
nasty things being done in the name of some religion. I'm quite sure that
there are people who want the power to tell others how other are supposed
to think, much like you are doing now, where you are stating how you view
the world and how it should look. The fact that your ready to do harm to
others even in word to me suggests you are not far off from being the very
thing you profess to hate.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayI see sonhouse's "lumping" to be quite limited and defined, as follows: "Christian fundies want to islamizise the US but with christians in charge. They go way beyond just forcing creationism to be taught in a science class, that is only point one on their agenda. If they got their way, the church WOULD be the government, just like Iran. "
Except you lumped all people of faith as if they were those that did all the
nasty things being done in the name of some religion. I\'m quite sure that
there are people who want the power to tell others how other are supposed
to think, much like you are doing now, where you are stating how you view
the world and how it should look. The fact that your re ...[text shortened]... word to me suggests you are not far off from being the very
thing you profess to hate.
Kelly
That is certainly not "all people of faith."
23 Sep 13
Originally posted by JS357Christians are being killed by those that are "islamizising" so to suggest that
I see sonhouse's "lumping" to be quite limited and defined, as follows: "Christian fundies want to islamizise the US but with christians in charge. They go way beyond just forcing creationism to be taught in a science class, that is only point one on their agenda. If they got their way, the church WOULD be the government, just like Iran. "
That is certainly not "all people of faith."
trying to move legislation through the proper channels is somehow on par
with that is more than a little insulting. I also don't see any Christians in
USA calling for the beheading of those that don't meet their standards, but
now you also have compared those be murdered with those doing the
murdering. You guys must really hate people of faith to suggest such things.
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24 Sep 13
Originally posted by KellyJayI didn't insult you and no I didn't compare anything to beheading. I am sorry to have encountered you in such a state.
Christians are being killed by those that are \"islamizising\" so to suggest that
trying to move legislation through the proper channels is somehow on par
with that is more than a little insulting. I also don\'t see any Christians in
USA calling for the beheading of those that don\'t meet their standards, but
now you also have compared those be murdered wit ...[text shortened]... e doing the
murdering. You guys must really hate people of faith to suggest such things.
Kelly
24 Sep 13
Originally posted by sonhouseSo you would be happy if Christians like me just keep quiet then, huh?
Of course, that is the average joe or jane Christian. I am not talking about those folk. I am talking about the right wingers who want to politicize religion and force it into a law about teaching creationism in a science class and, assuming they achieve that, going on to bigger and better things (in their own mind) about controlling people\'s lives and so f ...[text shortened]... hen they attempt a takeover of government that I put my foot down, preferably on their throats🙂
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