26 Aug 07
Originally posted by Rajk999I'm agreeing with the fact that you need to do good works...it shows that you're obeying God's word...it's just that good works alone won't get you into heaven...good scripture...
Yes, yes, I realize that...but you must do good works...
Whats do you think of this passage :
Romans 2 : 13 ..for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in t ...[text shortened]... bviously know nothing of Christ but still do by nature the things of the law, will be justified.
26 Aug 07
Originally posted by IronstarGood Scripture ? I think that passage deserves a bit more attention than that.
I'm agreeing with the fact that you need to do good works...it shows that you're obeying God's word...it's just that good works alone won't get you into heaven...good scripture...
Its saying the doers will be given salvation. Even Gentiles who 'DO' as opposed to just 'HEAR', will be given salvation.
28 Aug 07
Originally posted by vistesdOkay...let me elaborate...
(1) Believers who do.
(2) Believers who fail to do.
(3) Non-believers who nonetheless do.
(4) Non-believers who also fail to do.
Who “gets saved”?
1) Accept Jesus Christ as lord and savior of your life
2) Get baptized as an act of obedience toward him
3) Good works also show obedience, but good works shouldn't be used in place of step 1. They're just showing obedience to God and good works are well...what anybody should do...Christian or not...
28 Aug 07
Originally posted by IronstarChrist is clear on the fact that (1) and (2) are the first steps, but he apparently 'failed' to mention your point (3). Was that a mistake on His part?
Okay...let me elaborate...
1) Accept Jesus Christ as lord and savior of your life
2) Get baptized as an act of obedience toward him
3) Good works also show obedience, but good works shouldn't be used in place of step 1. They're just showing obedience to God and good works are well...what anybody should do...Christian or not...
Note - Im asking about Christ not Paul.
28 Aug 07
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Originally posted by josephwCan you define what you are calling 'believers'?
[b]Who “gets saved”?
Believers.[/b]
Apparently Vistesd is using a different definition as his (2) is 'believers who fail to do'. Are you suggesting that people who profess to believe in Christ (ie verbally) and fail to do good works still get salvation ?
Romans 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;