Godlessness(Atheism)is Lifelessness

Originally posted by josephw
Godlessness, or atheism, is the denial of life.

Atheism's definition of life is finite and materialistic. The life of God is eternal and is a gift, but only to those who acknowledge and believe in the giver of that life.(how could it be any other way?)

Atheism is rooted in selfishness. At it's core there can be only the self for as long as it lives.
...[text shortened]... ator, it is the denial of the existence of life itself, and ultimately one's own existence.

Biggest load of rubbish you've posted. I hope you're just cutting and pasting from some other source because to believe this tripe is laughable.

How does defining life as finite and materialistic deny it? You've just defined it so how can you be denying it at the same time?
Atheism denies supernatural entities not the existence of other selves, so I'm not sure how you get the selfishness bit.
Since atheists do not believe in some bizarre eternal life after death we would like to prolong our lives as much as possible, not end them. In fact, I would suggest that any religion that includes some sort of afterlife would give its believers as excuse to end their lives as quickly as possible.
Since all we appreciate will ultimately end, atheists are thankful for the chance to experience it at all - we just don't thank an old man in the sky. As for meaninglessness, simply because there is no intrinsic meaning or some imposed-from-above meaning doesn't deny the ability to find meaning in things and events and people. Do deny alternative paths to meaning suggests a very limited view of the world.
Your truth rant makes no sense, so I'm not sure how to respond to it. Of course there is no 'reason' to adhere to any particular philosophy - if there were then every single human would be a Christian or an atheist or a Buddhist or whichever one had the reason. The fact that we all have different beliefs speaks to the reality that we all find our truth and our meaning in different ways. Why does not believing in a furry bunny who delivers chocolate eggs make my philosophy of life any less meaningful than yours?
Purpose, meaning and reason don't come from my belief in no angels so you're right on that count. But I get my purpose and meaning and reason from other sources. Atheism is irrelevant to this.
Not sure how I can deny my existence or my friends or family or colleagues or students - unless I'm in some Matrix world. I don't even deny your existence.

Does atheism threaten your worldview so much that you must try - however incoherently and idiotically - to demolish it? You seem to believe that atheism is an alternative to your theism. It's not. There's no church for atheists, no priests, no communion, no mass, no bible, no moral or ethical precepts. Atheism isn't a religion or a philosophy.

Originally posted by josephw
Godlessness, or atheism, is the denial of life.

Atheism's definition of life is finite and materialistic. The life of God is eternal and is a gift, but only to those who acknowledge and believe in the giver of that life.(how could it be any other way?)

Atheism is rooted in selfishness. At it's core there can be only the self for as long as it lives.
ator, it is the denial of the existence of life itself, and ultimately one's own existence.

So the next step in your accusations will be to call us communists, right? Then you can feel justified in pulling out an Uzi and blowing us to our just rewards, right?

You feel so strongly about atheists you would make them out to be monsters who do not deserve to live.

Your stance is SO spiritual.......

This is one of the most obnoxious threads I ever ran across.

Your belief in your god has led to uncounted millions of deaths, and entire cultures subverted and destroyed by the grinding arrogance of religion, especially the part where your god is presumed to be so superior to everyone, any other belief can be ground under and replaced with yours or else they would be put to death.

Take a look at what your religion has done to the Aztecs if you dare. Take a look at what happened to a large majority of aborigines in Australia, or American Indians forced to be taught about your filthy god where you teach fear.

Atheists would never in a thousand years do the kind of damage to other cultures that your so-called religion has done so well over the past 2000 years.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Your belief in your god has led to uncounted millions of deaths, and entire cultures subverted and destroyed by the grinding arrogance of religion, especially the part where your god is presumed to be so superior to everyone, any other belief can be ground under and replaced with yours or else they would be put to death.

I think what you meant was: "Belief in your god has led to uncounted millions of deaths..." [fairly straightforward to argue] or perhaps ""Belief in god like yours has led to uncounted millions of deaths..." [a wee bit in his face] but not "Your belief in your god has led to uncounted millions of deaths..." [which perhaps rather overstates josephw's role in what has happened in the past]. 😛

Originally posted by John W Booth
I think what you meant was: "Belief in your god has led to uncounted millions of deaths..." [fairly straightforward to argue] or perhaps ""Belief in god like yours has led to uncounted millions of deaths..." [a wee bit in his face] but not "Your belief in your god has led to uncounted millions of deaths..." [which perhaps rather overstates josephw's role in what has happened in the past]. 😛

I think he meant "your" in the collective sense, comparable to your first suggestion. Worse is perhaps

Atheists would never in a thousand years do the kind of damage to other cultures that your so-called religion has done so well over the past 2000 years.

Which depending on how much is "well over" (suppose equal to 1000k (for some positive real k)) implies we are no more than (2+k) times as bad as theists!!! (I think!...haven't slept yet) 😵 😛

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
“...Godlessness, or atheism, is the denial of life. ...”

No. No atheists denies the existence of life. I do not deny the existence of life. I am alive. There exists life.
By definition, atheists simply don't believe there is a god; that is ALL that is meant by “atheist” and is the only valid definition of “'atheist”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wi ...[text shortened]... I exists. I challenge you to show me an atheist that denies the existence of himself!

You say life has no cause....... but everything in this cosmos can be traced to a cause.

You say it is causeless because you believe life to be a random accident, which is absurd.

Life is mind bogglingly complex,and exhibits definite design at every level....but you deny a designer, and you deny intelligence at its foundation........thats absurd..

So why would you say life has no cause....thats a dishonest statement.

Why be dishonest.

No one can discuss with a dishonest person, because they fabricate and invent everything to suit their whimsical nature.

All your absurd beliefs, amount to you having the madness disease of atheism, which means the madness has stolen your intelligence away, and you are lost and bewildered.

In this state it is better to say nothing at all.

Originally posted by vishvahetu
All your absurd beliefs, amount to you having the madness disease of atheism, which means the madness has stolen your intelligence away, and you are lost and bewildered.

In this state it is better to say nothing at all.

Do you really think that people on a public forum who don't accept your assertions would be better saying nothing at all? How would the forum function?

Originally posted by josephw
Godlessness, or atheism, is the denial of life.

Atheism's definition of life is finite and materialistic. The life of God is eternal and is a gift, but only to those who acknowledge and believe in the giver of that life.(how could it be any other way?)

Atheism is rooted in selfishness. At it's core there can be only the self for as long as it lives.
...[text shortened]... ator, it is the denial of the existence of life itself, and ultimately one's own existence.

I think you seem threatened by athiests. Why else would you consistently come back and attack them with such ridiculous arguements.

If I'm not copping it from you or some of the other christians here, I cop it from the athiests.
And yes , I can see both sides of the arguement amd they are both valid.

I presume, based on some of your other posts, that you had an "awakening" and got turned onto christ at some stage in your life.
Good for you. If it works for you, thats great! I mean that sincerely.

But do you not think that I too may have had a revelation.
In fact, at one point, the bhudda talked to me. However , I did not become a bhuddists because of that, but I respect bhuddists and christians for that matter.
They have both done some fine things for me in my life.
The bhuddists have taght me about psycology whereas the christians have mainly helped me out thorugh "good works".
It just seems to me that christians( notall of them, but most), want to convert you , no matter what. Athiests , on the other hand, like to engage in discussion and repeatedly point out that there is no evidence for a christian God.

Both views have their merits , imo, but no matter how much you guys may try, I'm not going to come around to either view.
I have found my way a long time before I joined this forum, so when you offered me private bible lessons, I thought that you would've known that I will never bow down to christ, (unless he does something for me that is worthy of a bow)

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
“...Godlessness, or atheism, is the denial of life. ...”

No. No atheists denies the existence of life. I do not deny the existence of life. I am alive. There exists life.
By definition, atheists simply don't believe there is a god; that is ALL that is meant by “atheist” and is the only valid definition of “'atheist”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wi ...[text shortened]... I exists. I challenge you to show me an atheist that denies the existence of himself!

"what do you mean? Life exists and I exists. I challenge you to show me an atheist that denies the existence of himself!"

[b]Yes, but as soon as you die you will cease to exists. Essentially, atheism is a denial of life because it(atheism)says that life ends at death.

But, My God gives life eternal as a gift to the one who comes to God on His terms.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
I think you seem threatened by athiests. Why else would you consistently come back and attack them with such ridiculous arguements.

If I'm not copping it from you or some of the other christians here, I cop it from the athiests.
And yes , I can see both sides of the arguement amd they are both valid.

I presume, based on some of your other posts, ...[text shortened]... will never bow down to christ, (unless he does something for me that is worthy of a bow)

"I think you seem threatened by athiests. Why else would you consistently come back and attack them with such ridiculous arguements."

Karoly, will you please use your head? I have not attacked anyone. I have attacked Atheism and that's all.

It is blatantly obvious that you haven't really read my posts.

Originally posted by josephw
But, My God gives life eternal as a gift to the one who comes to God on His terms.

Wishful thinking. You also seem to be confusing Atheism with Nihilism.

Originally posted by josephw
Godlessness, or atheism, is the denial of life.

Atheism's definition of life is finite and materialistic. The life of God is eternal and is a gift, but only to those who acknowledge and believe in the giver of that life.(how could it be any other way?)

Atheism is rooted in selfishness. At it's core there can be only the self for as long as it lives.
...[text shortened]... ator, it is the denial of the existence of life itself, and ultimately one's own existence.

Why does everyone want to talk about meaningfulness? What exactly is it about this word that is so hot?

Originally posted by lausey
Wishful thinking. You also seem to be confusing Atheism with Nihilism.

Actually, I am starting to think that josephw's beliefs are essentially nihilistic. His need for theology seems to have been erected on nihilist foundations and very bleak 'certainties' such as "life is not good enough without imagining that there is more" and "life is meaningless unless I convince myself it lasts forever" or "this life is nothing if it is only this life" or "nothing really exists if I don't surmise that [insert speculation about the supernatural here]". This all strikes me as decidedly nihilistic

Originally posted by vishvahetu
You say life has no cause....... but everything in this cosmos can be traced to a cause.

You say it is causeless because you believe life to be a random accident, which is absurd.

Life is mind bogglingly complex,and exhibits definite design at every level....but you deny a designer, and you deny intelligence at its foundation........thats absurd.. ...[text shortened]... ence away, and you are lost and bewildered.

In this state it is better to say nothing at all.

“...You say life has no cause ...”

Nope, I never said this. The beginning of life had a cause. It was the cause of abiogenesis.

“...You say it is causeless because you believe life to be a random accident, ...”

I never said it was causeless and life is not a random accident.

“...Life is mind bogglingly complex,and exhibits definite design at every level....but you deny a designer, ...”

there is no limit to the complexity evolution can produce therefore no intelligent designer required for complexity.

“...So why would you say life has no cause....thats a dishonest statement. ...”

I never said that life has no cause. You are dishonest for saying I did say this. I challenge you to show where I said this!

Originally posted by josephw
"what do you mean? Life exists and I exists. I challenge you to show me an atheist that denies the existence of himself!"

[b]Yes, but as soon as you die you will cease to exists. Essentially, atheism is a denial of life because it(atheism)says that life ends at death.

But, My God gives life eternal as a gift to the one who comes to God on His terms.[/b]

“...I challenge you to show me an atheist that denies the existence of himself!" (my comment)

Yes, but as soon as you die you will cease to exists. ...”

correct...and I still don't deny the existence of myself. I exist.


“...Essentially, atheism is a denial of life because it(atheism)says that LIFE ends at death. ...” (my emphasis)

that is a self-contradiction. How can I deny the existence of LIFE while, at the same time, believe that LIFE ends at death?
I mean, how can life end at death if there is no life to die?
I do not deny life; I AM alive. Atheism does not deny life.

Originally posted by josephw
"what do you mean? Life exists and I exists. I challenge you to show me an atheist that denies the existence of himself!"

[b]Yes, but as soon as you die you will cease to exists. Essentially, atheism is a denial of life because it(atheism)says that life ends at death.

But, My God gives life eternal as a gift to the one who comes to God on His terms.

Tell me this: How exactly was the state of mankind who, according to your man-made religion, needed some kind of spiritual boost 2000 years ago and so needed your meddling god to send down a sign, etc.

So why didn't that happen 10,000 years ago, 100,000 years ago? Or right now or maybe in the death halls of the 20th century? Were things on a spiritual level SO bad 2000 years ago as to require your god to intervene so much worse then than the 20th century? The 20th century sucked so bad that your god must have just washed its hands of the whole thing, clearly unable to change anything in that dreadful century.

Your god is omniscient so to it there is no difference in time from 1 million years ago to the present day. So what was so rotten spiritually 2000 years ago that was apparently ok in the death filled 20th century?