02 Aug 20
@secondson saidNo, you are mistaken. A religionist is someone who follows a religion such as Hinduism, Christianity or Judaism etc.
A religionist is one that says one thing, but does another, and is so cocksure of his own self that he can't imagine that God is the only one that is omniscient and is the source of all knowledge, understanding and wisdom.
02 Aug 20
@bigdoggproblem saidThis does appear to be the function of belief in God in many people's lives. Indeed, it seems to have been the function of religion in societies and cultures all the way down through human history.
One could use their faith in God to believe He could guide them through the confusion and mental unrest.
@secondson saidMmm. No. Quite the opposite. A religionist does not deny "the existence of the God of Truth". They insist on "the existence of the God of Truth" and adhere to the religious beliefs that surround whatever God figure it is that they worship. The word "religionist" does not mean what you seem to think it does.
And an extreme-religionist is one that questions the truthfulness of God, and goes so far as to deny the existence of the God of Truth.
An "extremist-religionist" would be someone whose religious beliefs placed them outside the mainstream - so, not you, for example - and, as subjective as the parameters of all this may be, that's where you get into the realms of radicalism, fundamentalism and fanaticism etc.
02 Aug 20
@secondson saidI will never understand how folks can speak in sweeping, absolutist terms, then try to raise a shield of context.
Of course, but you've swerved out of context.
Very well. The context, as I see it, was a rebuttal to the problem of evil. The only trouble is, you were attempting to rebut something that had not really been presented by anyone. I am sure it made a lot of sense to yourself as you wrote it, but the rest of us may have been left scratching our heads.
02 Aug 20
@fmf saidThat, I find much more understandable than, "God has revealed All Truths to me, and I understand everything!"
This does appear to be the function of belief in God in many people's lives. Indeed, it seems to have been the function of religion in societies and cultures all the way down through human history.
02 Aug 20
@fmf saidYours is an opinion. Mine is a firm conviction. You're sharing your opinion, but I'm sold out and know who God is. You don't.
Well, be that as it may. But regardless of how vehement your certainty about the accuracy and veracity of what you believe, all any of us is us is doing here is sharing our personal opinions.
That's what I'm sharing with you. And before we get too far afield I'll remind you we're discussing the nature and attributes of a God you neither know or believe exists.
It's your opinion that the Bible lacks veracity. You don't actually know that for a fact. And the thing that gets to you isn't whether or not the scriptures are veracious, it's that I claim to know they are truth exclusively as distinct from all others.
It must be frustrating for you.
02 Aug 20
@bigdoggproblem saidYou said it, I didn't.
"God has revealed All Truths to me, and I understand everything!"
02 Aug 20
@bigdoggproblem saidWell, if it makes sense to me, what's wrong with you? Right?
I will never understand how folks can speak in sweeping, absolutist terms, then try to raise a shield of context.
Very well. The context, as I see it, was a rebuttal to the problem of evil. The only trouble is, you were attempting to rebut something that had not really been presented by anyone. I am sure it made a lot of sense to yourself as you wrote it, but the rest of us may have been left scratching our heads.
By the way, "the problem of evil" isn't mine. It's the problem of those that don't understand or believe in the solution.
02 Aug 20
@secondson saidRegardless of what words you use to refer to what you believe and to express how sure you are that youare right, all you and I are doing here is sharing our personal opinions.
Yours is an opinion. Mine is a firm conviction. You're sharing your opinion, but I'm sold out and know who God is. You don't.
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02 Aug 20
@fmf saidMeowled Literate Cat.
Regardless of what words you use to refer to what you believe and to express how sure you are that youare right, all you and I are doing here is sharing our personal opinions.
02 Aug 20
@secondson saidYes. You adhere to a religion. You adhere to Christianity. Saying stuff like "I adhere to a person" is one of the tenets of your religion.
I don't "adhere" to a religion. I adhere to a person.
02 Aug 20
@secondson saidWe can but speculate about supernatural things.
It's your opinion that the Bible lacks veracity. You don't actually know that for a fact. And the thing that gets to you isn't whether or not the scriptures are veracious, it's that I claim to know they are truth exclusively as distinct from all others.
02 Aug 20
@secondson saidI know for a fact that there are competing opinions and traditions about the nature of a creator being, assuming we have one.
It's your opinion that the Bible lacks veracity. You don't actually know that for a fact.
Even those who believe in the Abrahamic God do not agree about his nature or tabout he narratives surrounding his supposed revelation.
We can both agree that there is clearly no consensus about the veracity of the Bible even among the people who believe in figures like Adam, Noah, Abraham and Moses. We both know this is a "fact".