How can YEC's ignore ALL the data of old Earth?

Originally posted by RJHinds
I understand exponential growth and even gave a reference that explains it. If the population of diatoms are roughly constant now, then God must have created a bunch of them in the beginning or something stopped their growth. Maybe, it was the worldwide flood. Ha ha. 😏

The initial population grows exponentially until the population can't increase due to resource limitations, you get a sort of S shape. This still can't account for the depth of the deposits, because you'd need a far bigger population than there is now for the deposits to form in 6,000 years. So even if the diatom population were still growing exponentially you can't explain the historical deposition - in fact it gets harder as then the historical deposition rate would be lower than it is now and so one would expect the deposits to be even shallower.

Originally posted by josephw
[b]"Evolution specifically is about accumulated changes in life producing new species over time."

That...is a product of your imagination.

How can you sit there and actually state that imagination is a "by-product" of the brain? How is that idea scientific? Just as with all other "theory" associated with the theory of evolution are these ideas con ...[text shortened]... me as it was the day it was created. The only thing that is evolving is the theory of evolution.[/b]

Are you actually claiming mind matter dualism?

You've neglected to consider "evolution" through forced breeding. There are dog breeds that did not exist a few hundred years ago, never mind 6,000. I agree that they do not represent separate species, but are different forms which did not exist at the time you think the world was formed.

Originally posted by C Hess
I'm saying you specifically can't make s*** up, reject what you don't like and accept only what you want to. You can only give explanations that fit the evidence, reject explanations that don't and accept only the explanations that do. That's the exact opposite of what you're accusing me of. Are you high?

That is just that, making stuff up that fits what your looking at!

It is exactly what you are doing, you don't know what occurred millions of
years ago, *if there was a million years ago* you picked a number out of
the air, because it fit what believed you were looking at. That will be good
until the next things comes around.

Not high, just not buying into the latest great explanation that people are
using these days, maybe the next one will be better! You know because
they tend to change as something else comes up, sort of like building a
house on shifting sand, it isn't solid yet that is where you want to be. I do
not see the distant past like you do, you assume to much for my liking.

Originally posted by C Hess
Nope.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_microbiome

...average adults possess 10 times more microbial cells than human cells.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eukaryote

In a study using genomes to construct supertrees, Pisani et al. (2007) suggest that, along with evidence that there was never a mitochondrion-less eukar ...[text shortened]... . The mitochondrion and its genome is a remnant of the α-proteobacterial endosymbiont.

Bacterial organisms are parasites and some are harmful and some are helpful, but they are not cells that make up the human body. Anyone that believes that the human body is made of bacteria cells is a fool.

Originally posted by DeepThought
The initial population grows exponentially until the population can't increase due to resource limitations, you get a sort of S shape. This still can't account for the depth of the deposits, because you'd need a far bigger population than there is now for the deposits to form in 6,000 years. So even if the diatom population were still growing exponenti ...[text shortened]... on rate would be lower than it is now and so one would expect the deposits to be even shallower.

You don't know this and are just guessing.

Originally posted by DeepThought
Are you actually claiming mind matter dualism?

You;ve neglected to consider "evolution" through forced breeding. There are dog breeds that did not exist a few hundred years ago, never mind 6,000. I agree that they do not represent separate species, but are different forms which did not exist at the time you think the world was formed.

They are varieties that result from breeding. It has nothing to do with evolution. Monkeys don't evolve into humans.

Originally posted by KellyJay
That is just that, making stuff up that fits what your looking at!

It is exactly what you are doing, you don't know what occurred millions of
years ago, *if there was a million years ago* you picked a number out of
the air, because it fit what believed you were looking at. That will be good
until the next things comes around.

Not high, just not buy ...[text shortened]... re you want to be. I do
not see the distant past like you do, you assume to much for my liking.

The evolution lie gets improved over time to make it more credible to the educated fools.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You don't know this and are just guessing.

EDIT: Don't argue with fundamentalists. Just hope they follow the rules of (modern) society and don't get too crazy and kill people.

Originally posted by DeepThought
Are you actually claiming mind matter dualism?

You've neglected to consider "evolution" through forced breeding. There are dog breeds that did not exist a few hundred years ago, never mind 6,000. I agree that they do not represent separate species, but are different forms which did not exist at the time you think the world was formed.

Are you trying to say that "forced breeding" is evolution?

"Are you actually claiming mind matter dualism?"

I seriously doubt it. I asked this question in another thread; how/when did matter become self aware? In the evolution context, please explain how matter became aware of itself. How did matter develop a conscientiousness?

No doubt there's a whole bunch of theories about it.

Originally posted by KellyJay
That is just that, making stuff up that fits what your looking at!

It is exactly what you are doing, you don't know what occurred millions of
years ago, *if there was a million years ago* you picked a number out of
the air, because it fit what believed you were looking at. That will be good
until the next things comes around.

Not high, just not buy ...[text shortened]... re you want to be. I do
not see the distant past like you do, you assume to much for my liking.

What are you talking about? Theories can change when new discoveries are made, as they should. And theories can only change to explain all the evidence thus far acquired. It's not like the core of evolutionary theory has changed since Darwin's time. Only what we understand about the mechanisms behind it change as new observations are made.

The only one making things up, selecting what to accept and not accept, is you.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You don't know this and are just guessing.

RJ I do know this and I'm not just guessing. sonhouse gave the current rate of deposition at around 1cm per millennium. This means that either the sediments should be no more than a couple of inches thick compared with 1.6 miles, or that there was a vastly greater rate of deposition in the past. There is no convincing explanation for this other than an old earth.

Originally posted by Lundos
EDIT: Don't argue with fundamentalists. Just hope they follow the rules of (modern) society and don't get too crazy and kill people.

I've had this argument with them in the past. When they start saying things like "You are guessing." then it means we have them on the ropes. It's a basic sign. Their arguments are taken apart and they are left with nothing but insults like the one you are replying to. The purpose of the argument is to demonstrate to people that they do not have a coherent position and starve them of potential recruits, who'll hopefully go an join sane congregations who think the universe was created by God using a Big Bang.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Bacterial organisms are parasites and some are harmful and some are helpful, but they are not cells that make up the human body. Anyone that believes that the human body is made of bacteria cells is a fool.

No, they're not by definition parasites. They're single-celled organisms, and your body is kitchen, livingroom and toilet for a select group of these little buggers. Your human cells and microbiome live in symbiosis. You look in the mirror, and what you're in fact looking at is a huge part bacteria, viruses, and eukaryotic microorganisms, and a small portion of human cells. That's just a fact. It's all explained in the links I provided. Sorry if it makes you uncomfortable.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Anyone that believes that the human body is made of bacteria cells is a fool.

Well, you quoted a fool then. Doesn't that make you a fool? 😵

Originally posted by RJHinds
I understand exponential growth and even gave a reference that explains it. If the population of diatoms are roughly constant now, then God must have created a bunch of them in the beginning or something stopped their growth. Maybe, it was the worldwide flood. Ha ha. 😏

Or in other words, your usual MO, I'm covering my ears, I can't hear you NYA NYA NYA.