Hypothetical question

Originally posted by googlefudge

I suspect that somewhere deep inside you know God exists, but reject this knowledge

This is a trope repeated and repeated that just has to die.

I do not believe in the existence of any gods. Period.
I have never believed in the existence of any gods. Period.

No god has ever revealed it's existence to me in any way shape or form. ...[text shortened]... And no, 'Nature' is not evidence for god/s or 'creators'.

What it says in the bible is wrong.

There is nothing I can say, some day you may change your mind. I respect your position, because I was there once myself.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
There is nothing I can say, some day you may change your mind. I respect your position, because I was there once myself.

If you 'respect' my position, why on Earth are you claiming that those who claim as I do,
that they don't believe in the existence of gods, do in-fact secretly believe in god/s?

Originally posted by googlefudge
Science, reason, evidence.

You can implore all you like, but I do not believe that your god exists at all.
And there is NOTHING about reality, or my experience of it, that suggests any gods exist.

"And there is NOTHING about reality, or my experience of it, that suggests any gods exist."

Again, that's not true! You have heard about Jesus haven't you? That is part of your "experience" isn't it?

Do you see what I'm driving at?

Originally posted by josephw
[b]"And there is NOTHING about reality, or my experience of it, that suggests any gods exist."

Again, that's not true! You have heard about Jesus haven't you? That is part of your "experience" isn't it?

Do you see what I'm driving at?[/b]

I have also heard about Harry Potter, and Voldermort, and Thor, and Frodo Baggins, and Ra, and Darth Vader...

The fact that someone is mentioned in a book is not evidence that that person exists.

There is NOTHING in reality that suggests any gods exist.

There is lots of evidence that people have invented and believe in many different gods. [tens of thousands at least]

This is not the same thing.

Originally posted by googlefudge
If you 'respect' my position, why on Earth are you claiming that those who claim as I do,
that they don't believe in the existence of gods, do in-fact secretly believe in god/s?

You will not like my answer, so I refrain.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
You will not like my answer, so I refrain.

I dislike pretty much everything you post.

So unless you are going to stop posting, I wouldn't care about whether I am going to like your posts if I were you.

Originally posted by googlefudge
I have also heard about Harry Potter, and Voldermort, and Thor, and Frodo Baggins, and Ra, and Darth Vader...

The fact that someone is mentioned in a book is not evidence that that person exists.

There is NOTHING in reality that suggests any gods exist.

There is lots of evidence that people have invented and believe in many different gods. [tens of thousands at least]

This is not the same thing.

"This is not the same thing."

Look gf, we've been having a grand discussion all day. I don't want to spoil it by going overboard on this.

I'm not sure what you mean by the quote above, but it really isn't the same thing at all.

I see a very large picture of life as we know it, and God is very evident indeed, at least from my perspective. I have no idea how to prove it to you. I don't really think it's possible for one person to prove God exists to another anyway.

Even though you "see" no evidence for the existence of God, I know He is searching for you. That must sound absolutely ridiculous in your ears. It shouldn't.

Thanks for your participation in the discussion. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I. Another time then!

Originally posted by googlefudge
I dislike pretty much everything you post.

So unless you are going to stop posting, I wouldn't care about whether I am going to like your posts if I were you.

Always the gentleman.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Always the gentleman.

Unlike some people, and unlike the claims certain people make about me, I'm honest.

Originally posted by Rank outsider
If God brought back Mosaic law, and applied it to all of humanity, would the Christians here execute gay people or disobey God?

You mean of course that there was brought back the consecration offering. sin offering, the trespass offering, the peace offering and all the other offerings which pointed to the redemption in the Messiah to come.

Since God's hatred for sin has been amply demonstrated by the Old Testament and consummately by the sacrifice of the Son of God on behalf of the sin of the world, knowing what I know now I would tell them about the atoning offerings and how they reconciled us to the law giving God.

I would also point them to the transforming enjoyment loving God and His word seen in Psalm 119.

Since your hypothetical is not going to happen, it is appropriate to live out Christ before them. And it is appropriate to tell them the good news of Christ's saving from both the power of sin and the guilt of it in His dynamic new covenant salvation.

Most important I would tell them that God is doing this not just so that individuals can have a happier life but because it fulfills His eternal purpose of building God into man for the coming of New Jerusalem the "city" for which we were all created and for which the universe exists.

Being overly self absorbed can be self defeating. It is the truth that makes us free. We need to look away to Jesus. He was "stoned" at Calvary, so to speak, so that by His stripes we might be healed.

Originally posted by googlefudge
I dislike pretty much everything you post.

So unless you are going to stop posting, I wouldn't care about whether I am going to like your posts if I were you.

ok, here it is...it is because of this verse....

Rom 1:18-23

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man — and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
NKJV

Originally posted by checkbaiter
ok, here it is...it is because of this verse....

Rom 1:18-23

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible a ...[text shortened]... e like corruptible man — and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
NKJV

Because if it says it in the bible it must be true...

The bible is wrong.

I do not know that any gods exist, and I do know that the god of the bible does not exist.

I know that there is no evidence for the existence of gods, and I know that there is evidence against the
existence of the god of the bible.

The same, or similar things, can be said by and about every atheist.

Your argument basically boils down to saying that hundreds of millions of atheists, and billions of non-Christians
must all be lying about their beliefs because it says so in my holy book... A book you believe based on blind faith.
So you simply have blind faith that we are all lying to you.

I am not lying, your faith is misplaced, the bibles self serving edict that says 'that anyone who claims not to believe
god exists is lying' is wrong and is itself a lie.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Unlike some people, and unlike the claims certain people make about me, I'm honest.

I am sure Dasa would dispute that by calling you dishonest. But he calls everyone dishonest that disagrees with him.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I am sure Dasa would dispute that by calling you dishonest. But he calls everyone dishonest that disagrees with him.

Not recently. I'm hoping he has moved away from that.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Unlike some people, and unlike the claims certain people make about me, I'm honest.

Too many people in this forum, on both sides, assume and make claims that don't make much sense.

As you said to me recently (paraphrased), it doesn't mean you have to be an ass about it.