Spirituality
17 Jan 17
Originally posted by karoly aczel to josephwPerhaps josephw is putting into practice what he resolved to do here Thread 171254 but people would be forgiven for thinking that that thread was just some attention-seeking and less-than-honest strutting waffle and that what he has really resolved to do in 2017 is simply offer more attention-seeking and less-than-honest strutting waffle. 😛
"Everyone thinks they're a God" Really?
Many think they should take their spirituality, and hence their lives into their own hands. This is not the same as proclaiming oneself a god.
Or are you just trolling?
18 Jan 17
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeYes, what he said.
He seems to have been a man who rejected greed, violence,and the pursuit of power and money. He wasn't really big on judging people or their lifestyles either.
Sounds pretty liberal to me.
This would have been remarkably similar to my answer.
18 Jan 17
Originally posted by josephwWrong end of the stick, here.
Liberals are nonjudgmental? And I suppose you think they are that way based on a moral conviction?
Your perception about Jesus being liberal because He didn't judge people is false. Jesus espoused a very conservative view of how to live a life pleasing to God. At the same time He was extremely critical about hypocrites.
Either way, one cannot have Je ...[text shortened]... reflected its moral truth. Jesus isn't an excuse for sin. Political expediency notwithstanding.
Are you saying that Christians are beholden to the Mosaic laws, for example?
Christ came with a new covenant, based on love for our fellow man. If you are keen to teach your neighbor, first you have to pick him up and give him a meal and see to his needs first, before your own, until the man can afford to hear your teaching. Christ told us to love our neighbor, at least as much as we love ourselves and to treat people as we would be treated, like human beings, not inferiors.
A remarkable number of conservatives in Washington have a real problem with this concept, even though they consider themselves to be Christians.
18 Jan 17
Originally posted by karoly aczelSocialist, yes. Militant? No, probably not.
If the man JC was alive he would've been a militant socialist
Oh, he would have lost it when encountering greed and selfishness on occasion, but I think he would have left people alone in their sins if they still denied him after trying to get them to change their ways. But I still think he would have had more converts than people looking to stop him.
18 Jan 17
Originally posted by SuzianneWithout a militant aspect the followers of jesus would've been trashed much earlier
Socialist, yes. Militant? No, probably not.
Oh, he would have lost it when encountering greed and selfishness on occasion, but I think he would have left people alone in their sins if they still denied him after trying to get them to change their ways. But I still think he would have had more converts than people looking to stop him.
19 Jan 17
Originally posted by Suzianne"Christ came with a new covenant, based on love for our fellow man."
Wrong end of the stick, here.
Are you saying that Christians are beholden to the Mosaic laws, for example?
Christ came with a new covenant, based on love for our fellow man. If you are keen to teach your neighbor, first you have to pick him up and give him a meal and see to his needs first, before your own, until the man can afford to hear your teach ...[text shortened]... on have a real problem with this concept, even though they consider themselves to be Christians.
I think you have the cart before the horse. The "New Covenant" isn't based on our love for our fellow man. The New Covenant is based on God's love for mankind, and His grace and mercy towards a lost and dying world. God gave His son because of His love for us. That's the New Covenant. That's what God had in mind from before the world began. The "Old Covenant" required obedience to the law, but the New Covenant requires faith only in what God's son did on the cross on our behalf. Grace through faith in the shed blood of Christ. That's the New Covenant.
19 Jan 17
Originally posted by SuzianneUnscriptural.
Socialist, yes. Militant? No, probably not.
Oh, he would have lost it when encountering greed and selfishness on occasion, but I think he would have left people alone in their sins if they still denied him after trying to get them to change their ways. But I still think he would have had more converts than people looking to stop him.