07 May 14
Originally posted by FreakyKBHExistence.
[b]Also, Quantum Physics currently tells us that particles pop in and out of existence in a Quantum Vacuum.
They do?
Or is it that they pop in and out of observation?[/b]
The theory says they pop into and out of existence.
The experimental data strongly backs this up.
Now it's not an absolute certainty by any means, but it's far more likely than not.
Originally posted by ZahlanziWe don't even know how causality works INSIDE the universe. We merely observe that y follows x with consistent regularity, but CAUSALITY we never observe.
1. Everything that exists [in this universe] has a cause
we do not know how causality works outside it. (if there is an outside). maybe there is no time and everything is a messed up soup of events.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHIt is unknown. We do not know whether or not quantum effects are random or strictly deterministic (but practically impossible to calculate).
They do?
Or is it that they pop in and out of observation?
Whichever the reality is, it remains a fact that it is not known that everything has a cause. In fact, the vast majority of events at the quantum scale are not known to have causes. So any argument based on the claim that everything is known to have a cause is based on a false premise.
Originally posted by josephwI did not ask "What is god?" or "What is the cause?"
God is the cause.
You won't get it.
I did not ask "Who won't get it?"
I asked what was wrong with the argument.
(If you cannot tell me then you must agree with the conclusion)
I'm afraid you may have to think a little bit. (Sorry)
Originally posted by wolfgang59There is nothing wrong with this argument.
1. Everything that exists has a cause
2. God exists
3. Therefore God has a cause
What's wrong with this argument?
The only reason it seems wrong to you is that you do not comprehend, yet.
There is always hope. And I know God hears my prayers. Wolfgang i look forward to that day.
Originally posted by PudgenikSo you agree with the premises and the conclusion.
There is nothing wrong with this argument.
The only reason it seems wrong to you is that you do not comprehend, yet.
There is always hope. And I know God hears my prayers. Wolfgang i look forward to that day.
Do you have any idea what caused god or just believe something caused his existence?