If the world was really 10,000 years old:

Originally posted by nook7
l like that KellyJay holds true (from of the posts l have read over the years) to the beliefs that his religion tells him to exhibit.

And l respect him for this.

l do not agree with them , however l respect them.

You on the otherhand are an assclown of the highest order and l fart in your general direction.

I didn't know you thought so highly of me.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the :ord!

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
if they have confidence that it is true, then they have a belief. belief requires acceptance, acceptance does not require belief.

it should be noted that the phrase "reasonable belief" is sometimes used synonymously with the concept of acceptance by those who are unwilling to give up the term "belief"

this is a good article on critical rationalism, if you care to understand why belief is not required.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/cr-ratio/

Ahh, the old 'argument by homework assignment'.

I have not read it yet - but I note that the word 'belief' or some form of it appears 25 times in that article.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You are out to lunch...

very good guess, i'm having lunch right now.

you believe the universe is how old?

i don't know how old the universe is.

You believe life came from non-life?

i don't know where life came from.

You believe when you walk out to your car it will start
when you turn the key?

i expect it will start unless it has a mechanical failure.

We are creatures of faith and beliefs, we try to base
our faith and beliefs on that which we think is solid and true which we don't
always do in science or religion.
Kelly

we are creatures of mental illness. there is nothing that is solid or true. what there is is that which we perceive through our senses and instruments and interpret with our brains in the context of our knowledge and experiences.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Ahh, the old 'argument by homework assignment'.

I have not read it yet - but I note that the word 'belief' or some form of it appears 25 times in that article.

it's not a homework or argument. it is something that might interest you on the topic. belief does appear in the article since critical rationalism addresses the limitations and weaknesses of belief.

note that the article only gives an overview.

Originally posted by RJHinds
How about my informed opinion? Does it have worth?

if you ever make one, i'll let you know.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
very good guess, i'm having lunch right now.

you believe the universe is how old?

i don't know how old the universe is.

You believe life came from non-life?

i don't know where life came from.

You believe when you walk out to your car it will start
when you turn the key?

i expect it will st ...[text shortened]... d instruments and interpret with our brains in the context of our knowledge and experiences.

Christ is the way, the truth, and the light.
HaleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!
😏

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
it's not a homework or argument. it is something that might interest you on the topic. belief does appear in the article since critical rationalism addresses the limitations and weaknesses of belief.

note that the article only gives an overview.

Do you have an argument in support of your position?

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Do you have an argument in support of your position?

i've argued the point extensively on this forum in past threads and add to them from time to time.

the argument is that everything we know is transitional. a thousand years from now, humans will be looking back on the technology and knowledge we have now like we look back on the technology and knowledge humans had a thousand years ago.

we will appear as foolish for believing our notions of reality as humans a thousand years ago appear foolish for believing their notions of reality.

belief is an unnecessary component of reality. belief only describes the range of human experiences as they exist in this moment and such experiences are subjective.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Christ is the way, the [b]truth, and the light.
HaleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!
😏[/b]

a failed savior like jesus christ can't be any of those.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
i've argued the point extensively on this forum in past threads and add to them from time to time.

the argument is that everything we know is transitional. a thousand years from now, humans will be looking back on the technology and knowledge we have now like we look back on the technology and knowledge humans had a thousand years ago.

we will appe ...[text shortened]... he range of human experiences as they exist in this moment and such experiences are subjective.

I would not think someone was foolish for believing something that was supported by the evidence at that time.

But it's definitely a twisted use of the word 'belief' to say 'beliefs are mental illness'. You end up sounding like the crazy person when you say that.

Ultimately, I think it comes down to marketing. 'Dirty' words are replaced by more acceptable variants; Christian 'religion' becomes 'relationship'; American political 'liberal' becomes 'progressive'; Atheist 'belief' (which is dirty because some beliefs are religious in nature, and we can't have any ties to that) becomes 'acceptance*' where * = 'so far'.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
i've argued the point extensively on this forum in past threads and add to them from time to time.

the argument is that everything we know is transitional. a thousand years from now, humans will be looking back on the technology and knowledge we have now like we look back on the technology and knowledge humans had a thousand years ago.

we will appe ...[text shortened]... he range of human experiences as they exist in this moment and such experiences are subjective.

Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
(matthew 24:35 NKJV)

Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
(Mark 13:31 NKJV)

Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
(Luke 21:33 NKJV)

Originally posted by SwissGambit
I would not think someone was foolish for believing something that was supported by the evidence at that time.

But it's definitely a twisted use of the word 'belief' to say 'beliefs are mental illness'. You end up sounding like the crazy person when you say that.

Ultimately, I think it comes down to marketing. 'Dirty' words are replaced by m ...[text shortened]... we can't have any ties to that) becomes 'acceptance*' where * = 'so far'.

it is not a dirty word, its an observation. beliefs are a mental illness. relabeling it will not change that, it will still be a mental illness under a different name.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
(matthew 24:35 NKJV)

Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
(Mark 13:31 NKJV)

Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
(Luke 21:33 NKJV)

buddhas words haven't passed away either, and they've been around longer.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
buddhas words haven't passed away either, and they've been around longer.

What prophecies has the Buddhas made that have come true?