Whatever your Christian doctrine happens to be…the Bible contains glimpses of a possible future for humanity, for nations and for individuals. Doesn’t it?
If your particular belief regarding that possibly future involves the damning and eternal torture of billions of non-believers by your version of God, then what are you doing about it?
To those here who truly believe that vasts swathes of humanity, I.e. billions upon billions of non Christians will be deliberately held captive and deliberately kept alive in a place purposefully created in order to torture them with fire for ever and ever…
Then what on Earth are you doing here at RHP wasting the precious time given you which could be used to get out in the streets and speak to those who are in the most awful peril?
What keeps you here posting, blogging, arguing with others who think you are deluded narcissists. In fact I will go further than that to say that if you waste your time in here instead of at least attempting to save the eternal lives of those destined for this terrible future then I say that you are complicit in their suffering.
Thoughts.
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@divegeester saidGood points
Whatever your Christian doctrine happens to be…the Bible contains glimpses of a possible future for humanity, for nations and for individuals. Doesn’t it?
If your particular belief regarding that possibly future involves the damning and eternal torture of billions of non-believers by your version of God, then what are you doing about it?
To those here who truly beli ...[text shortened]... ture then I say that you are complicit in their suffering.
Thoughts.
[edits, apologies typos]
Once again the problem of the need to be validated by others to see something as true is a really shallow, non evolutionary way of attempting to gain wisdom
@karoly-aczel saidWhat would your on topic advice be to any Christian’s here who fit the scenario described in the OP?
Good points
Once again the problem of the need to be validated by others to see something as true is a really shallow, non evolutionary way of attempting to gain wisdom
@divegeester saidThis. What you said here.
Then what on Earth are you doing here at RHP wasting the precious time given you which could be used to get out in the streets and speak to those who are in the most awful peril?
I quite enjoy chats about issues pertaining to morality, the effects of beliefs on society, the nature of faith, subjectivity versus objectivity, the human spirit and human nature and the human condition, personhood, the meaning of life etc. etc.
But IF... "torture in burning flames for eternity" [as brand spanking new Christian Philokalia put it a couple of years ago] as a form of divine wrath and revenge ...WERE REAL...
...I wouldn't waste a moment in this cranny. I'd be working flat out for some church or NGO trying to reach as many people as humanly possible.
If I DIDN'T do that, you'd be forgiven 100% for deducing that I did NOT really actually sincerely believe in "torture in burning flames for eternity" AT ALL, and that I was just pretending to, and posing, and/or simply trying to manipulate feeble-minded people for egotistical reasons.
@divegeester saidSorry, but there should be a comma after apologies and before typo.
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Edit: I am sure it was just a typo.
@divegeester saidI'm trying my best to assist in understanding, which would potentionally relieve unecessary suffering and bring happier, more peaceful lives ( of Christians)
What would your on topic advice be to any Christian’s here who fit the scenario described in the OP?
As far as general advice on Christianity I see the idea of only one Christ ( rather than the potential for more Christs ) as the most distorting understanding for Christians.
After all "Christ" was not his last name.
And he did say things like "are we not all gods", implying that all humans can attain Christ-consciousness , that he was not the only one
@karoly-aczel saidNone of the peddlers of "eternal torment" think, for one moment, that "eternal torment" is going to happen to them. This makes it really easy to say that they believe it's true.
I'm trying my best to assist in understanding, which would potentionally relieve unecessary suffering and bring happier, more peaceful lives ( of Christians)
@karoly-aczel saidWhat was it originally? Something like Saxe-Coburg-und-Gotha?
After all "Christ" was not his last name.
@karoly-aczel saidAh, but they do, generally speaking, “focus on the more unifying and forgiving aspects of God that they know through Jesus“.
Yep.
Rather focussing on the more unifying and forgiving aspects of God that they know through jesus
Eternal suffering is the ultimate “elephant in the room”.
@divegeester saidThe damning is due to sin in the creation of a Holy God; some have taken to hiding this scriptural truth from themselves and others.
Whatever your Christian doctrine happens to be…the Bible contains glimpses of a possible future for humanity, for nations and for individuals. Doesn’t it?
If your particular belief regarding that possibly future involves the damning and eternal torture of billions of non-believers by your version of God, then what are you doing about it?
To those here who truly beli ...[text shortened]... ture then I say that you are complicit in their suffering.
Thoughts.
[edits, apologies typos]