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Originally posted by MorrenWhen you die, I believe you are presented with the choice.
Yeah, that's what I meant. Being that I believe everyone to be created by God (via *gasp* evolution! 😛), and free to make the choices they desire to make.
When you die, I believe you are presented with the choice.
The same choice you have your entire life.
Much like Pascal's Wager.
Is this written in your Bible?
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Originally posted by dj2beckerDoes it have to be?
[b]When you die, I believe you are presented with the choice.
Is this written in your Bible?[/b]
It is written in the theology surrounding the Catechism, along with the ideas of the saints and the general thoughts of the Catholic Church as well as my own personal beliefs.
Many places in the Bible speak of hell being eternal seperation from God's love. But Christianity need not stop with the Bible. It is a person-to-Person journey.
You may not be implying this, but one is still a Christian if they continue reading, writing, and living life as Christ would have them after the last page of the Bible.
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Originally posted by MorrenBut Christianity need not stop with the Bible.
Does it have to be?
It is written in the theology surrounding the Catechism, along with the ideas of the saints and the general thoughts of the Catholic Church as well as my own personal beliefs.
Many places in the Bible speak of hell being eternal seperation from God's love. But Christianity need not stop with the Bible. It is a person-to-Person jour ...[text shortened]... ue reading, writing, and living life as Christ would have them after the last page of the Bible.
So what then makes a 'Christian' different from anybody else?
15 Sep 05
Originally posted by MorrenAlso, there is the “Apostolic” tradition, which is even stronger in the Greek Orthodox churches: Paul taught his successor, who taught his, who taught…etc. Orthodox theologians seemed to be always saying “…as was taught by the Fathers” when they made their arguments. The notion of this “oral tradition,” which eventually became part of church writings, was largely dumped by Protestants after the Reformation, and was replaced by “sola scriptura.” Although that originated with Luther, he had a number of “solas.” Luther also viewed his fight as being with Rome, and not the East—but Melancthon, with or without Luther’s approval, I don’t know—snubbed the Orthodox when they made overtures, basically saying, “Hey, we don’t need you either; we know what we’re doing.”
Does it have to be?
It is written in the theology surrounding the Catechism, along with the ideas of the saints and the general thoughts of the Catholic Church as well as my own personal beliefs.
Many places in the Bible speak of hell being eternal seperation from God's love. But Christianity need not stop with the Bible. It is a person-to-Person jour ...[text shortened]... ue reading, writing, and living life as Christ would have them after the last page of the Bible.
15 Sep 05
Originally posted by vistesd...I needed to take a big breath after reading all that. But, yeah. 🙂 hehe.
Also, there is the “Apostolic” tradition, which is even stronger in the Greek Orthodox churches: Paul taught his successor, who taught his, who taught…etc. Orthodox theologians seemed to be always saying “…as was taught by the Fathers” when they made their arguments. The notion of this “oral tradition,” which eventually became part of church writings, wa ...[text shortened]... ey made overtures, basically saying, “Hey, we don’t need you either; we know what we’re doing.”
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Originally posted by frogstompVery interesting. I especially enjoyed the article entitled: Before the Big Bang: Maverick cosmologists contend that what we think of as the moment of creation was simply part of an infinite cycle of titanic
good , good. there is more though. M-Theory is one
ekpyrotic big brother the Cyclic Model is another
http://wwwphy.princeton.edu/~steinh/
collisions between our universe and a parallel world.
Hmmm? The Big Bang in loop mode?
Allow me to quote a paragraph from the article.
"But even now,many astrophysicists are still uncomfortable with the implication that the Big Bang marked the beginning of time itself. And the theory has yet to yield a satisfactory answer to a key question:What made the Big Bang go bang? Cosmologists Paul Steinhardt and Neil Turok have a radical idea that could wipe away these mysteries. They theorize that the cosmos was never compacted into a single point and did not spring forth in a violent instant. Instead, the universe as we know it is a small cross section of a much grander universe whose true magnitude is hidden in dimensions we cannot perceive.What we think of as the Big Bang, they contend, was the result of a collision between our three-dimensional world and another three-dimensional world less than the width of a proton away from ours—right next to us, and yet displaced in a way that renders it invisible."
Another universe less that the width of a proton? Yet completely invisible? This theory seems to have the same ingredient I have when I would say that God created the universe: faith in the unseen. (or wishful thinking if you so wish) 😛
I contend that these ad hoc theories without an ounce of scientific evidence are on the same boat as a theist saying that God created it. Creation might be non-scientific, in the sense that we can't apply the scientific method to it, but it is just as plausible.
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Originally posted by dj2becker"So what then makes a 'Christian' different from anybody else?" Great question!
[b] But Christianity need not stop with the Bible.
So what then makes a 'Christian' different from anybody else?[/b]
I would say:
Acts of
Faith,
Hope,
and Love.
And I would quote C.S. Lewis, again, in the definition of Christians. But, I forgot it and shall then bastardize it:
Someone who believes in the importance of Christ, being the son of God.
Different flavors have belief that Christ is Man, God, and Spirit all at once (the Trinity), some have other beliefs. But those that follow and believe His teachings are Christians.
A bad Christian is -still- a Christian; period. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
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Originally posted by HalitoseI contend that these ad hoc theories without an ounce of scientific evidence are on the same boat as a theist saying that God created it. Creation might be non-scientific, in the sense that we can't apply the scientific method to it, but it is just as plausible.
Very interesting. I especially enjoyed the article entitled: Before the Big Bang: Maverick cosmologists contend that what we think of as the moment of creation was simply part of an infinite cycle of titanic
collisions between our universe and a parallel world.
Hmmm? The Big Bang in loop mode?
Allow me to quote a paragraph from the article.
[b] fic, in the sense that we can't apply the scientific method to it, but it is just as plausible.
[/b]But doesn’t scientific theory have some basic “defeasibility” principles built in (verificationist, falsificationist)? A scientific theory can always, in principle, be defeated by empirical evidence. What kind of “defeaters” apply to religious faith?
I don’t mean to hijack your scientific discussion with frogstomp, which is way over my head. I just wanted to pose the question—I’ll probably have to check out your response later, ‘cause I have to run shortly. Thanks.