21 Aug 05
Originally posted by sasquatch672Either mass-energy can be created and/or destroyed, or it cannot. If it cannot, then even a "Creator" can't do it. If it can, then why do you need this "Creator" - assuming you mean some sort of god?
No no no. I beg to differ, the universe did not "just happen". The creation of the universe was a very wondrous thing indeed, an event I have happily resigned to never understand, but to ponder in amazement.
This is why the universe didn't just happen. Conditions have to be thermodynamically favorable for an event to occur. I don't care what y ...[text shortened]... d up together. (Delirious from lack of sleep.) But you just can't get round this.
There.
21 Aug 05
Originally posted by Nordlyswell theism and atheism are on exact opposited ends of the
That's a separate issue. To derive "theism is rational" from "atheism is irrational" would be a logical jump.
belief system spectrum and therefore in the same boat logically
speaking, A and Null A. Both are unbalanced.
21 Aug 05
Originally posted by sonhouseThis is not true at all. Atheism is not a belief system in any way. Between the two, theism is the only one to present a belief for consideration. The atheist finds the theist's case to be unconvincing and therefore unworthy of belief.
well theism and atheism are on exact opposited ends of the
belief system spectrum and therefore in the same boat logically
speaking, A and Null A. Both are unbalanced.
21 Aug 05
Originally posted by rwingettmore like the difference between them is a cross-product than an addition of the scalars ?
This is not true at all. Atheism is not a belief system in any way. Between the two, theism is the only one to present a belief for consideration. The atheist finds the theist's case to be unconvincing and therefore unworthy of belief.
21 Aug 05
Originally posted by rwingettIt depends on how you define "atheism" (and "theism", for that matter). What's sometimes called "strong atheism" (while others use the term "atheism" to mean only "strong atheism" ) goes further than just finding theism unconvincing, it's a firm belief that there is no god.
This is not true at all. Atheism is not a belief system in any way. Between the two, theism is the only one to present a belief for consideration. The atheist finds the theist's case to be unconvincing and therefore unworthy of belief.
21 Aug 05
Originally posted by Nordlysyes, but the fact that many use a definition of strong atheism in place of one for atheism is irritating to any weak atheist, such as myself. there is no need to perpetuate bad definitions.
It depends on how you define "atheism" (and "theism", for that matter). What's sometimes called "strong atheism" (while others use the term "atheism" to mean only "strong atheism" ) goes further than just finding theism unconvincing, it's a firm belief that there is no god.