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Originally posted by RJHindsJesus was just a man like Adam. He is in fact referred to as the 2nd Adam in the Epistles. He was created by God in Mary. His bloodline goes back to David and even Adam.
It seems that you are attempting to deny the divinity of Christ by claiming the heavenly Father was referring to His only begotten Son as a god (Hebrews 1:8), because Jesus was just a man, who had been given all authority in heaven and on earth(Matthew 28:18); and not referring to the Son as God (Hebrews 1:8), because the Son had the same spirit essence as t ...[text shortened]... manifest in the flesh as scripture says in Colossians 2:9 and 1 Timothy 3:16.
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Where the 1st Adam failed, the 2nd Adam succeeded whereby he did not fall for the temptation of Satan. He had sinless blood, he was God's plan to redeem man from Genesis 3:15.
That is why Satan tried to destroy his bloodline all through the Old Testament.
Satan tried through men and nations to destroy Israel because he knew if he did, he could stop God and save himself.
That is why Herod killed all those children under 2 years old, etc.
We see people all through the bible and forget Satan was behind all the blood shed.
God could not die, but his son could. God could not be tempted but his son could. If Jesus was God, Satan would not even attempt to tempt him.
07 Aug 13
Originally posted by checkbaiterSure Jesus was fully man, but scripture also says the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Him bodily. Jesus said the Father is in Me. If Jesus was just a man, then He would have been lying when He said He would raise His body up again in three days. If Jesus was just a man, then He would be lying when he said I am the bread that came down from heaven or before Abraham, I AM. Jesus also claimed to forgive sin. If Jesus was just a man, then He must be the greatest deceiver to have ever lived as just a man.
Jesus was just a man like Adam. He is in fact referred to as the 2nd Adam in the Epistles. He was created by God in Mary. His bloodline goes back to David and even Adam.
Where the 1st Adam failed, the 2nd Adam succeeded whereby he did not fall for the temptation of Satan. He had sinless blood, he was God's plan to redeem man from Genesis 3:15.
That is ...[text shortened]... not be tempted but his son could. If Jesus was God, Satan would not even attempt to tempt him.
However, I believe Jesus is our great God and Savior, the Lord of lords and the King of kings, the Creator of the Universe and the God, who was manifest in the flesh, so He could shed His blood to save my soul and body from eternal torment.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!
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Originally posted by RJHindsWhatever....
Sure Jesus was fully man, but scripture also says the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Him bodily. Jesus said the Father is in Me. If Jesus was just a man, then He would have been lying when He said He would raise His body up again in three days. If Jesus was just a man, then He would be lying when he said I am the bread that came down from heaven or befo ...[text shortened]... torment.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieExactly, and he raised himself from the dead too. Then he was not really dead.
if you believe that Jesus is God then you need to accept the idea that Jesus prayed to himself, cried out to himself for help when distressed and resurrected himself when he was dead for three days, crazy i know.
07 Aug 13
I think they just like the mystery of the whole thing and then try to explain it to us non believers in ways that we should understand it and if we don't, we don't have the spirit or something on us letting us see it and will burn in hell as RJ has so many time reminded us.
Well that spirit that lets them see it is not God's spirit at all but of the one who is the leader of the whole world at this time and will soon be captured by Jesus and put away.
At that point this trinity thing will finally disappear from mankind and we will all get to know our God Jehovah and his son Jesus with the truth of who they really are.
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Originally posted by sonshipI lean to what the bible says, there is no remembrance in death, no conscience, nothing, until Jesus returns and raises us up.
You are assuming that death is non-existence.
Jesus died and I know that he descended to the lower parts of the earth and I believe he claimed victory to the demonic host who are in chains. I think they shuddered.
Then he appeared in the garden to the woman, etc.
07 Aug 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou seem to forget the Word humbled Himself to become Jesus, who was a man capable of sin and served as an example for us by not sinning. Don't you think praying to God the Father is setting a good example for us? Why is it so hard for you to accept that the fullness of the Godhead was in Him bodily as the scripture says? What makes that so crazy to you?
if you believe that Jesus is God then you need to accept the idea that Jesus prayed to himself, cried out to himself for help when distressed and resurrected himself when he was dead for three days, crazy i know.
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07 Aug 13
Originally posted by checkbaiterJesus said the following:
Exactly, and he raised himself from the dead too. Then he was not really dead.
"I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death."
(Revelation 1:18 NKJV)
Was Jesus a liar and deceiver?
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Originally posted by RJHindsinteresting is your use of extra biblical phrases (godhead) which you need to utilise in order to explain your extra biblical dogma, but thats the trinity for you.
You seem to forget the Word humbled Himself to become Jesus, who was a man capable of sin and served as an example for us by not sinning. Don't you think praying to God the Father is setting a good example for us? Why is it so hard for you to accept that the fullness of the Godhead was in Him bodily as the scripture says? What makes that so crazy to you?
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Originally posted by RJHindsHow does that make him God?
Jesus said the following:
[b]"I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death."
(Revelation 1:18 NKJV)
Was Jesus a liar and deceiver?
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Originally posted by RJHindsWhere does it say the Word humbled himself to become Jesus?
You seem to forget the Word humbled Himself to become Jesus, who was a man capable of sin and served as an example for us by not sinning. Don't you think praying to God the Father is setting a good example for us? Why is it so hard for you to accept that the fullness of the Godhead was in Him bodily as the scripture says? What makes that so crazy to you?
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07 Aug 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIm surprised that you do not know that the word 'Godhead' exists in the KJV Bible:
interesting is your use of extra biblical phrases (godhead) which you need to utilise in order to explain your extra biblical dogma, but thats the trinity for you.
Act_17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Rom_1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Col_2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.