@sonship saidGood to see you using “yes” or “no” questions 👍🏻
Is there ever a time in human life when worship is a legitimate and approriate response for a human being to have ?
1.) No? Worship is NEVER an appropriate human reaction.
2.) Yes? Conceivably worship could be an approrioate human reaction.
I approve.
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@sonship saidYes I know my last post will have ruffled your feathers, but as I said, it’s good to see your tacit approval of using “yes or “no” questions. 🙂
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Good to see you using “yes” or “no” questions 👍🏻
I approve.
Has Divegeester recently stopped beating his wife?
1.) Yes
OR
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@sonship saidIf we are to view 'worship' as showing an abundance of love, respect, and adoration for something, then yes, it can sometimes be an appropriate and beautiful thing for humans to express among themselves.
Is there ever a time in human life when worship is a legitimate and approriate response for a human being to have ?
1.) No? Worship is NEVER an appropriate human reaction.
2.) Yes? Conceivably worship could be an approrioate human reaction.
18 Apr 22
@ghost-of-a-duke saidAnd towards a creator deity that one believes in, surely?
If we are to view 'worship' as showing an abundance of love, respect, and adoration for something, then yes, it can sometimes be an appropriate and beautiful thing for humans to express among themselves.
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Thanks. Yes or No still can have qualifying explanations associated with either.
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If we are to view 'worship' as showing an abundance of love, respect, and adoration for something, then yes, it can sometimes be an appropriate and beautiful thing for humans to express among themselves.
I am considering something more than that though.
There are two occasions in the book of Revelation where [b]John[/]b was rebukedby an angel for worshipping the angel rather than God.
Do you know the two instances?
Do you know what the tywo instances both have in common that John was so
overcome to make that mistake?
I might not expect you to.
But you might suprise me.
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@suzianne saidI can only speak as somebody who doesn't believe in deities. Worship, therefore, is only appropriate among ourselves (on rare occasions) and would be wasted on an entity that doesn't exist.
And towards a creator deity that one believes in, surely?
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidBut the question remains.
I can only speak as somebody who doesn't believe in deities. Worship, therefore, is only appropriate among ourselves (on rare occasions) and would be wasted on an entity that doesn't exist.
Is it an appropriate and legitimate human response to a creator deity that one does believe in?
Or is your response simply, "I wouldn't know, I don't believe in it"?
That's fair enough, I suppose.
But I might remind people that what separates us humans from the animals is two things. We bury our dead, and we attempt to worship a being that may have created us.
It seems to me like anthropomorphism taken to quite an extreme to think that a creator entity is so 'humanoid' in its nature that it wants or needs to be worshipped [not to mention it also being jealous, angry, merciful, vengeful and, in the case of eternal torture, psychopathic]. It smacks of thinking that is well and truly INSIDE the parochial box and not the slightest bit outside the box. Just a thought.
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@suzianne saidSpeaking personally, I think worshipping non-existent deities diminishes us as a species and holds us back. We exist in the world due to our own efforts and by worshipping such non-existent deities we do ourselves an injustice.
But the question remains.
Is it an appropriate and legitimate human response to a creator deity that one does believe in?
Or is your response simply, "I wouldn't know, I don't believe in it"?
That's fair enough, I suppose.
But I might remind people that what separates us humans from the animals is two things. We bury our dead, and we attempt to worship a being that may have created us.
Is it appropriate for a 'believer' to worship a God? Sure, if we also accept it is appropriate for a believer in superman to worship him. Either way, we will become stronger as a species when we put away childish things and stop being subservient to things of our own creation.
I also do not accept the '2 things' you report as separating humans from the animals. What about space exploration? What about medical advancements and technologies? - Worshipping a deity comes much lower down on the list and more accurately relates to humans evolving intelligence and our desire to explain how we got here and where we are going. Unlike animals, humans have the capacity to question the meaning of existence, and it is from this capacity that humans created gods, and set about worshipping them.
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@sonship saidSure. As I’ve said every single time you refuse or object to them.
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I might remind people that what separates us humans from the animals is two things. We bury our dead, and we attempt to worship a being that may have created us.
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Speaking personally, I think worshipping non-existent deities diminishes us as a species and holds us back.
I agree. That is called idolatry.
Is worshipping an existing God ever an approproiate response?
We exist in the world due to our own efforts and by worshipping such non-existent deities we do ourselves an injustice.
You do not exist on your own effort.
That is impossible because they you would have to exist before you came into
existeence.
Your cirulatory system, nervous system, skeletal system, brain all were not of YOUR design. You came into existence have someone else specifying how these systems which cause you TO exist work.
Thanksgiving and worship I think is an appropriate response toward the Creator who made these things FOR you to exist.
And I don't think this appropriate response hinders human well being and progress necessarily at all.
Arrogance of believing you own these things by your own self effort is damaging to human well-being and progress. It is dangerous to regard that no greater authroity exists but your self.
To be fair it is also dangerous to assume everything one does is done for the benefit or at the instruction of God. So I do not overlook that in history THAT has had a bad effect on people too.
Is it appropriate for a 'believer' to worship a God? Sure, if we also accept it is appropriate for a believer in superman to worship him.
That is so much supposedly clever making a catagory error.
Marvel Comic's "Superman" was designed for entertainment.
If you feel the BIble is merely for human entertainment that exposes something wrong with you. And if you regard the New Testament accounts of Jesus to be merely the entertainment of a ancient comic book that just shows your lack of a sober mind.
And if you popint to Thor or Isis or Odin and then say "Jesus of the New Testament is the same" that too shows some lack of a sober thinking mind.
Let' say you point instead to Mohammed and compare him with Jesus.
That is closer because both are historical.
But Mohammed neither claimed nor acted like God.
If God became a man there is no better candidate than Jesus of Nazareth to
consider the closet possible manifestation of God as a man.
And burying your head in the sand while crying "But that's like Superman in the comic books" just makes you look very befuddled and confused, maybe drunk on overdosing on juvenle entertainment.