Is your God 'the' correct God??

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
"All of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can..."The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!...We must meet one another doing go ...[text shortened]... believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there."

Pope Francis

Jesus and the apostles predicted an apostasy in the church as well as false prophets and teachers. Pope Francis is just another example.

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Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
[b] I am more astonished at how today's Jewish people still only believe in the God of the Old Testament, and do NOT believe at all in Jesus Christ. They are still apparently waiting for their 'Messiah'. I find this odd, because during the time of Christ, while He walked the earth and performed His miracles, surely the Jews would have been convinced 2,0 ...[text shortened]... rstanding, you have to read the pages in their entirety and not just the snippets I posted here.

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

(Romans 11:25 KJV)

Originally posted by RJHinds
Jesus and the apostles predicted an apostasy in the church as well as false prophets and teachers. Pope Francis is just another example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fuhR7WEnrI

So you have a different opinion about Bible text and interpretation than a POPE does, and automatically, the POPE is wrong, and a false teacher. Remarkable.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne

C'mon jaywill. Perhaps you don't understand the purpose of Jews for Jesus:
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Where we going? Deep into your idiocy ?

The "Jews for Jesus" is a self explanatory label.
Jews who believe in Jesus.

Jews for Jesus is a Messianic Jewish evangelical organization that focuses on the conversion of the Jewish people to Christianity
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That's what their detractors say of course - "Jews for Judiasm". The latter call themselves "Counter Missionaries". They have that right. But I would call them "Counter Revelation".

Throughout the Hebrew Bible some unbelieving Jews acted as "Counter Revelation" Jews. Some of them wanted to stone Moses and secure for themselves another leader to take them BACK to Egypt. Probably they also considered themselves "Counter Missionaries". But they were counter the revelation of God.

Jews for Jesus actually (I think) broke into two groups and the other went by the title Messianic Jews. They both consider themselves as "completed" Jews. And I agree with them.

And actually, many Messianic Jews OR Jews for Jesus are pretty strong about bringing out the Jewishness of the Gospel of Yeshua, almost to the point of annoyance to some Gentile Christian brothers. And they do have a lot of ground to do this. Afterall the new covenant church life starting in Jerusalem was firmly rooted in Jewishness.

Of course their detractors consider them as betrayers working as missionaries for Christianity.


Jews for Jesus defines Jewishness in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious belief[4] and its members consider themselves to be Jews – either as defined by Jewish law, or according to the view of Jews for Jesus
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Provide a quotation from their organization. That might help.
That their detractors - Jews against belief in Jesus, of course want to define them. It is important to them to define the perceived enemy.

The identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is rejected by Jewish religious denominations
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Is that suppose to be surprising? The First disciples of Jesus were thrown out of the synagogs and the temple. Saul of Tarsus, before he became Paul, was definitely a self proclaimed "Counter Missionary".

You're not telling me much by informing me that Jews4Jesus are rejected by Jews NOT for Jesus as an illegitimate Jewish religious organization.

due to the Christian beliefs of its members. The group's evangelistic activities have garnered mixed reactions from other Christian individuals and organizations, largely divided between liberal and conservative lines.[/b]
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Of course they have garnered mixed reactions. And like other enthusiastic preachers of the Gospel, also made some mistakes. I never said it was a utopia.

That Jews turn to their Messiah these last days is not something you're going to be able to stop. Neither is it something "Counter MIssionaries" like JewsforJudaism are going to be able to stop.

Get use to it.
The Soviet Union can collapse.
The Berlin Wall can come down.
And Jews can turn in large numbers from unbelief to belief in Yeshua (Jesus - Greek).

Amazing things CAN happen. Who would have thought?

[b]The organization was founded by Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister who was born Jewish and converted to Christianity at the age of 17,[13] and Jhan Moskowitz, an ordained Christian and Missionary Alliance minister and son of a Holocaust survivor.[
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It is irrelevant.
Check out some very interesting debates between "Messianic Jews" or Jewish followers of Jesus and so -called "Counter MIssionaries" on Youtube.

Here's a couple I watched -

Rabbi Tovia Singer (Jews4Judiasm) Debates Messianic Leader David Rosenberg

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Head of Jews for Jesus Debates Tovia Singer

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Are you an Atheist ?
In these last days before the second coming of the Messiah get use to more Jews turning back to their Messiah. Sorry.

Originally posted by chaney3
So you have a different opinion about Bible text and interpretation than a POPE does, and automatically, the POPE is wrong, and a false teacher. Remarkable.

The priest Martin Luther had a different opinion of interpretation than a Pope too. So it is not without precedent. 😏

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne

Arguments which are contrary to the Jewish faith.
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Nope. Arguments according to belief in the new covenant that the prophet Jeremiah prophesied would come (Jeremiah 31:31-33)


But no longer of the Jewish faith once they converted. Your argument does not account for the distinction between the ethnicity and the faith. As such, it is misleading at best and dishonest at worst.
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Nope, they are Jews who have believed and have entered into the new covenant predicted by the prophet Jeremiah.

You know Anti-theists are getting desperate when they seek to hide behind the unbelief of Messiah denying Judaism. It a sign of them losing confidence in their anti-theist and atheist philosophical arguments.

They abandon the atheist arguments to go hide behind the coat tails of Messiah unbelieving Judaism. Seems a last ditch attempt to get away from the Savior, the Son of God.

Originally posted by chaney3
They don't believe in Jesus Christ, therefore they are going to hell. What don't you understand about that?

I don't know what some remote African tribe believes either, but if it's not Jesus Christ, they go to hell also. I was just using Buddhism as an example, and I am just finding it curious that Christianity is the only 'correct' religion/belief system on the planet. No need to get so defensive, you seem to be safe from hell.

If you do not know, you do not know!

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne

This seems much more reasonable than what Ghost of a Duke would have you believe. BTW, if you haven't figured it out, GoaD is a troll who doesn't seem to have any qualms about playing fast and loose with the truth.[/b]

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I understand. Anyone who outwits you is a troll; anyone who doesn't buy into your version of 'the truth' is a troll. Thanks for the laugh.

I think the Pope's quote is quite clear. It is quite telling that you would seek to find another meaning from the one that was clearly intended.

Originally posted by chaney3
Buddhists may be completely fulfilled....and happy. But, are they going to Heaven?

I will leave that to God to decide.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
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I understand. Anyone who outwits you is a troll; anyone who doesn't buy into your version of 'the truth' is a troll. Thanks for the laugh.

I think the Pope's quote is quite clear. It is quite telling that you would seek to find another meaning from the one that was clearly intended.

Being a troll is one thing, but playing fast and loose with the truth will get you a part in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone. 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
Being a troll is one thing, but playing fast and loose with the truth will get you a part in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone. 😏

The fellow is though rather tiresome. At least Robbie has a certain swagger about him. All i'm getting from ThinkOfOne is unrefined tank top.

To me, a troll is something that turns up repeatedly uninvited on your doorstep.

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Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
The fellow is though rather tiresome. At least Robbie has a certain swagger about him. All i'm getting from ThinkOfOne is unrefined tank top.

To me, a troll is something that turns up repeatedly uninvited on your doorstep.

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knock knock

Originally posted by redbadger
knock knock

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Okay, so God doesn't exist. Sure, it would be nice to have an immortal soul and everything, be more important than an aardvark, but he really doesn't exist. No really, he doesn't.

Enjoy being an atheist. Be kind to people sure, but enjoy the here and now. What's the worst that can happen? Even if it turns out that this whole Jesus thing is completely pucker, we can sigh in relief for atonement and redemption. You see, despite what some may claim, Jesus died for the sake of all mankind, to atone for all of their sins. Last time i checked a Hindu was part of mankind; the same for a Muslim, and yes, even an atheist. Don't take my word for it, even the Pope said this was so.
Just to clarify. Atonement was for all mankind, not just for believers in a particular faith, an elect few.

'For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,' (1 Peter 3:18)

'He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.' (1 John 2:2)

'The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!' ( John 1:29)

Calvin too used the truth of God’s perfect foreknowledge to set forth the mistaken idea of limited Atonement. He said that “God would have been inconsistent in sending Christ to die for those He positively foreknow would be lost.”

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke

'The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!' ( John 1:29)

Yes, Jesus was proclaimed the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.

Now suppose you protest and say you do not WANT the Lamb of God to take away YOUR sin?. Maybe you don't think you have any to be taken away. Then what?

Well, in instituting the Lord's supper He said His blood was shed for the forgiveness of the sins of "MANY" .

"For this is My blood of the covenant, which is being poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." (Matt. 26:28)

We should notice that here He did not say for the forgiveness of EVERYONE. Some refuse. Let's put the ignorant aside for the moment.

Some REFUSE.
They don't want to have anything to do with "the new covenant" . The covenant is offered to them but they reject it.

So if some refuse then it is perfectly logical -

"And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire." (Rev. 20:21)

And that, even though, the Lamb of God came to take away the sin of the world. (John 1:29)