Originally posted by KneverKnightGOD, is not going to change HIS mind about the conditions on going to hell or heaven. Even though there are those that say, how can a loving GOD have such a place? Then one must answer the same question, asked by GOD, how much do you love me? Do you love GOD enough to get into heaven? Or hate GOD enough to get into hell?
"There will be no joy watching those suffer in hell"
But, wine and cheese after? I mean, one can't be expected to spend ALL eternity regarding the poor lost souls, can one?
Originally posted by MaustrauserAnd God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;and their shall be no more death neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
So if those in heaven get no joy out of watching the damned frying, then heaven can hardly be heavenly can it? If it isn't heaven, then it is either limbo or hell. Or are some things in heaven not joyful, but part of the stern business of being 'saved' - watching the unsaved melt?
I am confused by your form of christianity.
REVELATION 21:4
That's what GOD has promised for all those that Believe and Trust HIM through HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. That is why he has given us freedom of choice, of where we want to spend eternity.
Originally posted by NemesioThere will to much to do, then watching someone in hell. There will be to much time enjoying heaven and being with GOD. Seeing and doing all the things that those in hell can not do.
So there will be at least one thing in heaven that is not enjoyable (that is, watching
those writhe in eternal torment)?
So, heaven is not perfection?
Nemesio
Originally posted by sasquatch672MATTHEW 5:27-30
See here's where we're different, you loop job. I accept and believe in Christ. I JUST DON'T HAVE TO SHINE IT UP EVERY DAY AND BEAT PEOPLE ABOUT THE HEAD WITH MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
I think that on balance, Jesus was probably a pretty happy guy. He talked about peace, loving thy neighbor and all kinds of assorted things. Not once (recalling m ...[text shortened]... st is that the concept of heaven and people like you are mutually exclusive. Gotta agree there.
MATTHEW 18:7-9
MATTHEW 5:22
MATTHEW 10:28
Seems that CHRIST spoke quite plainly about hellfire. Maybe you missed a few catechism lessons. It happens, try reading the New Testament of THE WORD OF GOD, THE BIBLE.
Originally posted by blindfaith101So, as I said, heaven is not perfection. If we can observe people writhing in hell,
There will to much to do, then watching someone in hell. There will be to much time enjoying heaven and being with GOD. Seeing and doing all the things that those in hell can not do.
then there is at least one bit of sorrow...
Unless you thinking watching people writhing in hell is a good thing.
Nemesio
Originally posted by blindfaith101If HE doesn't need flattery, one has to wonder why HE bothered creating it in the first place?
GOD needs not my flattery, HE created flattery.
I had always been told that our purpose as human beings is to praise GOD. If this is true, then maybe GOD does need your flattery.
Originally posted by NemesioWe (born-again Christians) will not be able to observe people in hell. The parable blind is thinking of is when the Old Testament saints still abided in Hades, waiting for Jesus to free them for their faith. There the OT saints could watch the damned suffer.
So, as I said, heaven is not perfection. If we can observe people writhing in hell,
then there is at least one bit of sorrow...
Unless you thinking watching people writhing in hell is a good thing.
Nemesio
Originally posted by DarfiusIf the OT saints are in hell, how could Moses and Elijah be with
We (born-again Christians) will not be able to observe people in hell. The parable blind is thinking of is when the Old Testament saints still abided in Hades, waiting for Jesus to free them for their faith. There the OT saints could watch the damned suffer.
Jesus during the Transfiguration? Or, how could the beggar Lazarus
be in the bosom of Abraham?
Which parable is BlindFaith101 thinking of, because it sure sounds like
he is talking about the 'here and now?'
Nemesio