05 Jul 05
Originally posted by bbarrBbarr: "First, I am not assuming that all prayers are requests."
First, I am not assuming that all prayers are requests. Second, some prayers certainly are requests. I am asking KellyJay about those prayers that are requests.
Yes, implicetely you were.
BBarr: "Second, some prayers certainly are requests"
Indeed.
BBarr: "I am asking KellyJay about those prayers that are requests."
Why do you do that, Smart Alec ? Why not include the non-request prayers ? Why make an explicite distinction all of a sudden ?
Are you working towards a, meaning your, conclusion or are you trying to discover the truth, Smart Alec ?
05 Jul 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeNope, I'm not making any such assumptions.
Bbarr: "First, I am not assuming that all prayers are requests."
Yes, implicetely you were.
BBarr: "Second, some prayers certainly are requests"
Indeed.
BBarr: "I am asking KellyJay about those prayers that are requests."
Why do you do that, Smart Alec ? Why not include the non-request prayers ? Why make an explicite distin ...[text shortened]... ing towards a, meaning your, conclusion or are you trying to discover the truth, Smart Alec ?
I am asking because I am interested in KellyJay's opinions concerning the efficacy of prayer requests, and how the institution of prayer requests dovetails with the view that God knows what is best and acts in a loving manner.
Do you have anymore one-liners or insults you'd like to post, troll?
05 Jul 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeOr, instead of asking God for forgiveness for your trespasses, you could attempt to contribute constructively to this discussion. If you have an objection to Dirac's post, then why don't you explain it? Why should any of us take your opinions seriously, if you are unwilling to defend them? If you keep acting like a spoiled child, ivanhoe, the adults here will have to treat you like a spoiled child, and ask you to sit quietly in the corner....
..... think about it a few years ..... but maybe you'll need a few decades.
You don't want to have to sit in the corner, do you ivanhoe? Of course you don't. So, suck it up and try to act like an adult.
05 Jul 05
Originally posted by bbarr
Nope, I'm not making any such assumptions.
I am asking because I am interested in KellyJay's opinions concerning the efficacy of prayer requests, and how the institution of prayer requests dovetails with the view that God knows what is best and acts in a loving manner.
Do you have anymore one-liners or insults you'd like to post, troll?
I see you are admitting I am right, right ? ....... Smart Alec and his porky pies ...... lol .......
For a Neo-Kantian you are damn materialistic in your thoughts, BBarr
...... and by the way, can't you recognise some sarcasm if you see it ?
C'mon, be a sport and admit I am right ....... 😉
05 Jul 05
Originally posted by bbarr
Or, instead of asking God for forgiveness for your trespasses, you could attempt to contribute constructively to this discussion. If you have an objection to Dirac's post, then why don't you explain it? Why should any of us take your opinions seriously, if you are unwilling to defend them? If you keep acting like a spoiled child, ivanhoe, the adults here ...[text shortened]... the corner, do you ivanhoe? Of course you don't. So, suck it up and try to act like an adult.
Teach is teaching again ...... you're not in front of your classroom, dude.
05 Jul 05
Originally posted by kirksey957I'm not sure about the personal experience bit, but I do think some degree of empathy is required.
Ivanhoe, I am wondering if, in addition to a magesterium, you would agree that having a capacity to understand suffering from personal experience should be a prerequisite for a pastoral calling.
05 Jul 05
Originally posted by Paul Dirac1. You assume that God "changed the rules of the Universe" following Original Sin.
I have only heard of the dog dying through a phone call with my parents, so I don't know what my brother is thinking.
But my point was to broaden the discussion from mere human suffering to the suffering of all species that have nervous systems.
Here is a prayer that I think separates the men from the boys in the church:
[i]Lord, I know that You ...[text shortened]... hemselves to pray that prayer have some hope of coming over to the side of Rationalism some day.
2. You assume that it was God's choice to make all living things suffer.
05 Jul 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeIf you don't want me to post pedantically, then stop acting like a remedial student. You do know how to contribute constructively to a conversation, don't you ivanhoe? I mean, if it was just a defecit in your education or socialization that brings about your trollish behavior, then we should treat you with sympathy, and try to remedy this defecit. So, your first lesson is this: If somebody posts something that you disagree with, stop and think about the post for a minute. Try to figure out just why you disagree with the post. Then compose a concise objection to that post, making sure to identify clearly to the author just why you disagree. If you do this, then we will all treat you like an adult.
Teach is teaching again ...... you're not in front of your classroom, dude.
05 Jul 05
Originally posted by Paul DiracWhat makes human suffering different from the suffering of these other creatures?
I have only heard of the dog dying through a phone call with my parents, so I don't know what my brother is thinking.
But my point was to broaden the discussion from mere human suffering to the suffering of all species that have nervous systems.
Here is a prayer that I think separates the men from the boys in the church:
[i]Lord, I know that You ...[text shortened]... hemselves to pray that prayer have some hope of coming over to the side of Rationalism some day.
05 Jul 05
Originally posted by bbarrBBarr: "If you don't want me to post pedantically, then stop acting like a remedial student."
If you don't want me to post pedantically, then stop acting like a remedial student. You do know how to contribute constructively to a conversation, don't you ivanhoe? I mean, if it was just a defecit in your education or socialization that brings about your trollish behavior, then we should treat you with sympathy, and try to remedy this defecit. So, yo ...[text shortened]... to the author just why you disagree. If you do this, then we will all treat you like an adult.
I'm glad you admit you are posting pedantically, saves me the trouble pointing it out to you.
Furthermore I am surprised you let others, in this case me, determine your behaviour. You're not Pavlov's dog, are you ?
By the way, I will react to a post the way I choose ..... and please, speak for yourself, dude.
Can you explain how your question about praying (request) fits in with the subject of this thread ?
05 Jul 05
Originally posted by Paul DiracThe answer, I suspect, lies in the [spiritual] anthropology of man.
I have only heard of the dog dying through a phone call with my parents, so I don't know what my brother is thinking.
But my point was to broaden the discussion from mere human suffering to the suffering of all species that have nervous systems.
Here is a prayer that I think separates the men from the boys in the church:
[i]Lord, I know that You ...[text shortened]... hemselves to pray that prayer have some hope of coming over to the side of Rationalism some day.
05 Jul 05
Originally posted by bbarrYes, if God did stop after awhile God would be like Thor or other
Suppose, hypothetically, that God just stopped answering prayers. Would anybody be able to tell the difference? Would the world thereby be a worse place?
Alternatively, suppose, hypothetically, that everybody just stopped praying, and Christians realized that it is pretty silly to bother a perfect being with personal requests, and that it makes more sense just to trust in His judgement. Would the world thereby be a place?
gods that are not real. The thing is bbarr, that God does answer
prayers, the sinner's prayer being the most important for us at this
moment. I'm quite sure that someone who does not know God, has
never known God wouldn't think what I have just said will matter to
much, because nothing in their lives would change since they want
nothing to do with God.
Kelly