JW

Originally posted by menace71
Cool you can still play right ? The Fender that is ?


Manny

I dont have a fender any more, but i do have a nineteen eighties Japanese made Yamaha SG 2000 which is pretty awesome. I did have a Les Paul deluxe II valued at $1000-$2000 which I pawned for about $50 (convert into pounds) when I was strung out for weed and never managed to redeem it. Dont play very much, sonhouse plays.

Originally posted by menace71
I have had a few JWs come by and knock on Saturday morning ......I want to have a chat with them but I'm usually in my boxers LOL 🙂 Really though it's tough because I just want to go for the jugular and say look ....Nice ladies and gents I just don't believe the way you do so it's kinda of pointless for you to knock unless you want to argue. If my wife or ...[text shortened]... hem in for some coffee and say let's bust out our bibles and really look at this stuff.

Manny

Hi Manny. Yeah it may be pointless at this point but I hope not. But as long as we are doing this work as Jesus commanded us, we never give up.
Yes it you flat tell the next Witness to never ever knock on your door again, they'll try hard not too but sometimes the word doesn't get to all in that congregation.
But unless you tell us that we will keep trying and who knows...you just might change your mind on something and want to ask them about it.
Many JW's including my Dad was the same way with the JW's. He had just gotten out of the Korean war and did not like the Witnesses at all for our stand on not fighting.
But Mom did and eventually Dad saw the reasons for not ever fighting or killing and he finally saw the truth in many things that he didn't in his old church and more importantly he now saw the future the Bible promisses for the heaven and the earth.
The thing is Jehovah is the "reader of hearts" and as long as he see's there are still many that have the heart he is looking for to let one see "all" the truths in the Bible and tells us it's over and done, we will never give up in planting those seeds in the ministry work.
Maybe he see's your heart better then you know it yourself?

Originally posted by galveston75
Hi Manny. Yeah it may be pointless at this point but I hope not. But as long as we are doing this work as Jesus commanded us, we never give up.
Yes it you flat tell the next Witness to never ever knock on your door again, they'll try hard not too but sometimes the word doesn't get to all in that congregation.
But unless you tell us that we will keep ...[text shortened]... those seeds in the ministry work.
Maybe he see's your heart better then you know it yourself?

I really have no beef with the JW's (other than doctrine) They should come and go freely and be able to do what they do with no problems. 🙂 I think many of the JWs are good people trying to do something better for this world and if people get off drugs and live happier lives for it then good. No good can come unless God allows it

Manny

Originally posted by menace71
I really have no beef with the JW's (other than doctrine) They should come and go freely and be able to do what they do with no problems. 🙂 I think many of the JWs are good people trying to do something better for this world and if people get off drugs and live happier lives for it then good. No good can come unless God allows it

Manny

Yes it is a fact that the more one learns and applies the Bibles laws, teachings and principles to their lifes, it is always a benifit to them in many ways and that would even include their health.
And their are good people still on this earth that are not JW's and Jehovah knows that. I believe that of you too.
So again if you can and have the time give the JW's a chance when they come around, that would be great. They are only there to help if they can.
It is an incredible brotherhood to be a part of and to know that no matter where ones goes on the planet we know there are millions that have the same beliefs and outlook for the future.

Originally posted by menace71
I really have no beef with the JW's (other than doctrine) They should come and go freely and be able to do what they do with no problems.

Be aware of the "other than doctrine" elements. A couple of Facebook pages dedicated to supporting ex or disfellowshipped JWs.

https://www.facebook.com/DisfellowshippedJWSupport?sk=wall&filter=2

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ex-Jehovahs-Witnesses-Support/118780261481037


Do a google search on ex JWs. Do one on JWs abuse and it's even worse.

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=ex+jehovah+witness

Because robbie carrobie, beauroberts and Galveston chose to ignore it doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Originally posted by divegeester
Be aware of the "other than doctrine" elements. A couple of Facebook pages dedicated to supporting ex or disfellowshipped JWs.

https://www.facebook.com/DisfellowshippedJWSupport?sk=wall&filter=2

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ex-Jehovahs-Witnesses-Support/118780261481037


Do a google search on ex JWs. Do one on JWs abuse and it's even worse.
...[text shortened]... e robbie carrobie, beauroberts and Galveston chose to ignore it doesn't mean it isn't happening.

will you please tell the forum why the admonition to remove wilful wrongdoers from the congregation does not apply to you?

(1 Corinthians 5:9-13) In my letter I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.”

tell us how this admonition does not apply to you and your church?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
will you please tell the forum why the admonition to remove wilful wrongdoers from the congregation does not apply to you?

(1 Corinthians 5:9-13) In my letter I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would ac ...[text shortened]... n] from among yourselves.”

tell us how this admonition does not apply to you and your church?

As usual you are deliberately avoiding seeing the elephant in the room, which is what your organisation does to those people once you eject them from the church, I.e. Complete ostracising, cutting off from family and friends etc. Your organisation even does it to people who simply want to leave the organisation and have done nothing wrong. I started a thread on that point a few weeks ago, shall I refer you to it.

Originally posted by divegeester
As usual you are deliberately avoiding seeing the elephant in the room, which is what your organisation does to those people once you eject them from the church, I.e. Complete ostracising, cutting off from family and friends etc. Your organisation even does it to people who simply want to leave the organisation and have done nothing wrong. I started a thread on that point a few weeks ago, shall I refer you to it.

just answer the question, tell us how the admonition given by Paul to remove unrepentant wrongdoers from the congregation does not apply to you or your church, here it is again,

(1 Corinthians 5:9-13) In my letter I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.”

so once again tell us how this admonition does not apply to you or your church and once you have done so, we shall discuss the other issues at hand.

Originally posted by JS357
I wonder when the idea of Jesus/Michael first surfaced? One site says, "The teaching that Jesus is Michael the Archangel is an old, tired Arian argument."

http://www.exadventist.com/Home/Articles/JesusisNotMichael/tabid/482/Default.aspx

But I find no such reference to original Arianism that assert this to be among their beliefs, in various "issue neutral ...[text shortened]... prominence as an idea.

I suspect that there are bigger fish to fry on this thread, than mine.

It does make sense, though, that it circulated among the Arians, since they were, maybe not the first, but they were the most well-known, for disbelieving in Jesus' deity. I can see them grasping at straws to try to figure out who Jesus was that they could point to in scripture and say 'See?' just like Charlie Russell did and now his JW boys do today.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
wow perhaps all that whodey has said about the education system in America is true, the term is exalt, exalt themselves and the term 'too' in this instance should have a single 'o'

Evasion by misdirection. Just like a magician.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
When i was sixteen witnesses came to my house, i was playing my Fender guitar at the time, i was into metal, iron maiden,saxon, motorhead, i asked the dude about the number of the beast and listened to his explanation. A little impressed i asked him to come back. When he did my mom chased him away. I enquired who was at the door and when she told ...[text shortened]... im and changed from a weed smokin hippy to becoming a witness. Best decision he or I ever made.

That's probably how Charles Manson got started too.

😀

Originally posted by RJHinds
I think the following referenced article is a good work on the origin of the idea that Jesus in the archangel Michael.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/5257/isjesus.htm

Wow. Geocities still exists?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
just answer the question, tell us how the admonition given by Paul to remove unrepentant wrongdoers from the congregation does not apply to you or your church, here it is again,

(1 Corinthians 5:9-13) In my letter I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons ...[text shortened]... pply to you or your church and once you have done so, we shall discuss the other issues at hand.

Any chance you guys get to judge others, you not only take it, you take it greedily with both hands, cackling like crazy over your chance to lord it over others and have it apparently 'authorized' by scripture. Scripture that you've already twisted like a pretzel to suit your own ends.

But then again, you've never really accepted Christ as your savior, have you? Maybe you could tell us why not.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Any chance you guys get to judge others, you not only take it, you take it greedily with both hands, cackling like crazy over your chance to lord it over others and have it apparently 'authorized' by scripture. Scripture that you've already twisted like a pretzel to suit your own ends.

But then again, you've never really accepted Christ as your savior, have you? Maybe you could tell us why not.

wow you positively salivate drool, you must have a continual drool reservoir, why don't you tell the forum why it doesn't apply to your church and try to make your comments relevant, wading through drool and zombie blabber is tiresome.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
just answer the question, tell us how the admonition given by Paul to remove unrepentant wrongdoers from the congregation does not apply to you or your church, here it is again,

(1 Corinthians 5:9-13) In my letter I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons ...[text shortened]... pply to you or your church and once you have done so, we shall discuss the other issues at hand.

It does apply, I've said so several times to you in this forum.

The issue is not about ejecting unrentant wrongdoers from the congregation it's about the social abuse your organisation implements afterwards. You obviously approve of this abuse or you would not be defending it, albeit badly.

Perhaps we should recover the topic of Mark Hunter as an example?