07 Sep 09
Originally posted by KellyJayThe term was established in the OP. I was using it in that context.
That is the point isn't it?
When one paints Christianity with an extra word like "liberal" or any
other word we tend to mean there is a slant to it.
Kelly
That said, you might as well face the fact that Christianity has more faces than Lon Chaney. If someone wants to speak about a subset, there has to be terminology to identify that subset.
08 Sep 09
Originally posted by KellyJayI agree. Christianity is neither defined nor limited to the loudest self-proclaimed Xtians in America. But there is a clear religio-political bloc in the USA that calls itself Christian. They have become militant Republicans, and as a group have become the tool of Rush Limbaugh and his imitators. Many are afraid to read anything that has a "liberal slant", that is not already committed to their peculiar version of the world.
That is the point isn't it?
When one paints Christianity with an extra word like "liberal" or any
other word we tend to mean there is a slant to it.
Kelly
08 Sep 09
Originally posted by WulebgrI actually don't care one wit about the "blocks" in American political
I agree. Christianity is neither defined nor limited to the loudest self-proclaimed Xtians in America. But there is a clear religio-political bloc in the USA that calls itself Christian. They have become militant Republicans, and as a group have become the tool of Rush Limbaugh and his imitators. Many are afraid to read anything that has a "liberal slant", that is not already committed to their peculiar version of the world.
forces, I think Jesus Christ is quite above both the American left and
the American right. Which again takes me back to your waning faith,
due to your own versions of truth, did Jesus change or did you just
spend to much time worrying about the fallen race around you? The
reason I ask is what did you think you were going to see with fallen
mankind some super righteous group of non-sinners among Christains?
Kelly
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08 Sep 09
Originally posted by KellyJayThere is a slant, a perspective to Christianity. There is to yours, and there is to mine. To pretend otherwise is spiritually quite shallow; Jesus did not shy from spiritual or temporal perspectives, labels, extra words; he simply would turn them on their heads when necessary in order to convey his spiritual message.
That is the point isn't it?
When one paints Christianity with an extra word like "liberal" or any
other word we tend to mean there is a slant to it.
Kelly
The radical message of love and the covenant with God that is available to all, regardless - that is still as radical and difficult a message today as it was 2,000 years ago. It is not congruent with what I hear from conservative "Christians" in any way, shape, or form.
08 Sep 09
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Originally posted by BadwaterPeople are wired differently those that lean left and those that lean
There is a slant, a perspective to Christianity. There is to yours, and there is to mine. To pretend otherwise is spiritually quite shallow; Jesus did not shy from spiritual or temporal perspectives, labels, extra words; he simply would turn them on their heads when necessary in order to convey his spiritual message.
The radical message of love and the c ...[text shortened]... t is not congruent with what I hear from conservative "Christians" in any way, shape, or form.
right, together they actually work well together, they provide each other
a good healthy balance. Our issues today stem more from media
driven hype where all things are turned into conflict with winners and
losers, where people are painted as evil when infact many times it is
just honest disagreement going on.
With respect to slant, Christianity either is centered around God in
Christ or us, if it is us our flavor of Christianity I agree it will depend
upon our own views and slants which creates divisions or maintains
them.
Kelly
08 Sep 09
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Originally posted by KellyJayI care about voting blocs. I'm a historian; that's what I do.
I actually don't care one wit about the "blocks" in American political
forces, I think Jesus Christ is quite above both the American left and
the American right. Which again takes me back to your waning faith,
due to your own versions of truth, did Jesus change or did you just
spend to much time worrying about the fallen race around you? The
reason I a ...[text shortened]... o see with fallen
mankind some super righteous group of non-sinners among Christains?
Kelly
My spiritual journey has been eventful, and has run through several clear changes. In the 1980s, I embraced a cluster of terms that seemed like different ways of saying the same thing--Bible believing Christian, evangelical, Reformed Presbyterian, Southern Baptist, Calvinist (not in that sequence, or necessarily all at the same time)--and all were consistent with "conservative Christian".
During that decade, and the Catholicism of my youth, my faith was public--most people that knew me knew where I stood.
Now, my spiritual journey is private, and most friends that think they understand my position are wrong. My liberal atheist friends that believe I'm one of them are wrong, although we agree on many things. My conservative Christian friends that think I reject all of their beliefs are also wrong. There are certain issues, of course, where I will attack when I see a bare throat (such as any manifestations of the anti-science that runs rampant in many churches). On Creationism and ID or climate change, thus, they are right that I disagree with them, and vehemently so, but the moment they think that means I agree with Al Gore, they compound their errors of perception. Gore is the Limbaugh of the Left.
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08 Sep 09
Thanks for sharing some things about where you're at, Wulebgr - hearing these personal stories about anyone's spiritual path informs everyone else regarding their spiritual path, regardless of where they are in how they view their spirituality (or lack thereof). Thanks.
08 Sep 09
Originally posted by BadwaterThere's plenty of spirituality in the effort to cast a well-tied dry fly into the feeding lane of a wary trout.
Thanks for sharing some things about where you're at, Wulebgr - hearing these personal stories about anyone's spiritual path informs everyone else regarding their spiritual path, regardless of where they are in how they view their spirituality (or lack thereof). Thanks.
A woolly bugger works too, but it is less spiritual; it's more in the spirit of bait fishing: it works when you're hungry.