15 Oct 18
@chaney3 saidGod knows "how" we think, and what and why.
"Father forgive them, for they know not what they do".
Is it possible that God doesn't really know how we think, or how we'll act, which is why Jesus made this statement?
That's why Jesus said forgive them.
That's God's grace. God sent His Son, an innocent substitute, to die in our place and pay our sin debt so that we can have eternal life.
@secondson saidNo, but if God already knew that we know not what we do, then Jesus didn't need to tell Him.
And you should decide what God needs to say?
That's why I brought up the question.
@chaney3 saidBut it seems you're assuming that Jesus said to the Father "they know not what they do" because God didn't know.
No, but if God already knew that we know not what we do, then Jesus didn't need to tell Him.
That's why I brought up the question.
That's not why. You should be grateful Jesus did say that. You see, that's why Jesus went to the cross, so that God would be justified in forgiving sinners.
Jesus did the will of His Father. We don't. That's the truth.
All God is asking for is your whole heart. He does the rest.
15 Oct 18
@kellyjay saidAll I'm saying is that if God knew that humans know not what we do, then why would Jesus need to tell Him.
Why, more than once Jesus said things to the Father for the benfit of those around Him.
It just dawned on me that if Jesus 'was' God, as believed by Trinitarians, then He likely would not have said it, but if Jesus is NOT God, then it makes more sense.
@chaney3 saidJohn 11:41-43 English Standard Version (ESV)
All I'm saying is that if God knew that humans know not what we do, then why would Jesus need to tell Him.
It just dawned on me that if Jesus 'was' God, as believed by Trinitarians, then He likely would not have said it, but if Jesus is NOT God, then it makes more sense.
41 So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this on account of the people standing around, that they may believe that you sent me.” 43 When he had said these things, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out.”
John 12:29-31 English Standard Version (ESV)
29 The crowd that stood there and heard it said that it had thundered. Others said, “An angel has spoken to him.” 30 Jesus answered, “This voice has come for your sake, not mine. 31 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.
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15 Oct 18
@chaney3 saidThis proposition vaguely reminds me of Little Dog claiming God was not omniscient based on God asking questions in Genesis.
No, but if God already knew that we know not what we do, then Jesus didn't need to tell Him.
That's why I brought up the question.
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16 Oct 18
@chaney3 saidAs the Lord said in Isaiah, "Put Me in remembrance" (43:26).
"Father forgive them, for they know not what they do".
Is it possible that God doesn't really know how we think, or how we'll act, which is why Jesus made this statement?
It is as if God can forget, and we have to remind Him. God may have promised, but He needs us to remind Him. We should say, not with a heart of unbelief but with a heart of faith, "Lord, You have given me Your promise. You should remember Your promise." This is exactly what King Solomon did. He said to God, "Now, O Lord God, let thy promise unto David my father be established" (2 Chron. 1:9). This way of reminding God is very meaningful. The reason that God delays His promise is that we may have the opportunity to deal with Him. In this way we acquire new knowledge; we have learned how to remind Him.
(Watchman Nee - Vol. 10: The Present Testimony)
16 Oct 18
@ghost-of-a-duke saidGod needs to be reminded.
As the Lord said in Isaiah, "Put Me in remembrance" (43:26).
It is as if God can forget, and we have to remind Him. God may have promised, but He needs us to remind Him. We should say, not with a heart of unbelief but with a heart of faith, "Lord, You have given me Your promise. You should remember Your promise." This is exactly what King Solomon did. He said to Go ...[text shortened]... new knowledge; we have learned how to remind Him.
(Watchman Nee - Vol. 10: The Present Testimony)
Interesting.
16 Oct 18
@wolfgang59 saidOh? So what did your dad's bare legs look like?
He is old.
My dad needed reminding to put his pants on as he got older.
And we are made in god's image.