Lying for God

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
i suspect that when their prophet failed to return as promised, they had to forge on ahead in the wake of lies. there must be a pathology in there, where they began to believe their own lies. it would've taken a certain pathology to become the followers of christ in the first place, if such a person existed.

I think this is the passage you are talking about.

And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. (Mark 9:1-7 KJV)

So as you can see in scripture, Peter , James , and John saw Jesus transfigured before them. Jesus was the kingdom of God come with power. Temporarily on earth to die for our sins. The prophecy you refute was fulfilled. Obviously you won't agree or don't want to.

Originally posted by boonon
I think this is the passage you are talking about.

[b]And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themse ...[text shortened]... r our sins. The prophecy you refute was fulfilled. Obviously you won't agree or don't want to.

i won't agree because your explanation is not correct. the prophecy was for the kingdom to come with power.

For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

did not happen. window of opportunity has passed. you worship a dead god.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
i won't agree because your explanation is not correct. the prophecy was for the kingdom to come with power.

For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see ...[text shortened]... ngdom.

did not happen. window of opportunity has passed. you worship a dead god.

My God is alive. You are dead wrong in more ways than one.

Originally posted by boonon
My God is alive. You are dead wrong in more ways than one.

:'(

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
:'(

Some people don't believe in God, many say that he doesn't exist. All I can say is to me he does exist and He is alive.

The bible says that he is aways with us even when we are not with him. He is waiting for us to seek him, to invite him into our lives. Never forcing our belief but waiting for us to ask Him into our lives. Only then will he reveal his love for us.

I pray that some day you will ask.

Alas the bible also says that some will never believe, some will not seek him. Free will...

Originally posted by boonon
I think this is the passage you are talking about.

[b]And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themse ...[text shortened]... r our sins. The prophecy you refute was fulfilled. Obviously you won't agree or don't want to.

I have already explained that verse to VoidSpirit, but he refuses to believe. He reminds me of what Peter said:

"knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”

(2 Peter 3:3-4 NKJV)

I think he is one of those scoffers.

Originally posted by boonon
Some people don't believe in God, many say that he doesn't exist. All I can say is to me he does exist and He is alive.

The bible says that he is aways with us even when we are not with him. He is waiting for us to seek him, to invite him into our lives. Never [b] forcing our belief but waiting for us to ask Him into our lives. Only then will he reve ...[text shortened]...

Alas the bible also says that some will never believe, some will not seek him. Free will...[/b]

the bible also says "prophets" who make predictions that don't come true are false. jesus predicted that the kingdom of god would come in power, with everything that entails within one generation, withing the life span of the people he was addressing.

didn't happen. false prophet. and you worship that dead god.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I have already explained that verse to VoidSpirit, but he refuses to believe. He reminds me of what Peter said:

"knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”

(2 Peter 3:3-4 NKJV)

I think he is one of those scoffers.

still doesn't change the fact that he failed to deliver the kingdom in power as promised.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I have already explained that verse to VoidSpirit, but he refuses to believe. He reminds me of what Peter said:

"knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”

(2 Peter 3:3-4 NKJV)

I think he is one of those scoffers.

Ya think?

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
still doesn't change the fact that he failed to deliver the kingdom in power as promised.

Fact? Or is this another opinion...

When do you believe it was that He failed? After 10 years had passed... 20... or, what?

How much time do you believe should be allowed to pass, before a yet unfulfilled promise should be considered broken?

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
the bible also says "prophets" who make predictions that don't come true are false. jesus predicted that the kingdom of god would come in power, with everything that entails within one generation, withing the life span of the people he was addressing.

didn't happen. false prophet. and you worship that dead god.

I already showed you in scripture how you are wrong. I don't need to keep trying to prove it to you because you do not want to see it.

Originally posted by sumydid
Fact? Or is this another opinion...

When do you believe it was that He failed? After 10 years had passed... 20... or, what?

How much time do you believe should be allowed to pass, before a yet unfulfilled promise should be considered broken?

He answered that question. He said:

...within one generation, withing the life span of the people he was addressing.

Originally posted by sumydid
Fact? Or is this another opinion...

When do you believe it was that He failed? After 10 years had passed... 20... or, what?

How much time do you believe should be allowed to pass, before a yet unfulfilled promise should be considered broken?

he failed when the last person who heard him speak hit the grave.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
he failed when the last person who heard him speak hit the grave.

Other than by statistical inference, what real proof can you present that at least one person who was present at that time is not still living? While we consider a human lifespan is only so long, there is no concrete evidence that this must be and that there are no exceptions. Seems like this would be a matter of "faith" as well.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
he failed when the last person who heard him speak hit the grave.

Oh. I thought you were going at it from a different angle (i.e. the kingdom has not come with power yet, therefore it never will) but anyway, like CLL said above, you are assuming that everyone He spoke to there has tasted death. You assume everyone there lived a normal lifespan.

A rather daft assumption, considering that just 6 days after Jesus said those words, 2 living, breathing individuals stood alongside him on Mt. Tabor who obviously had not tasted death in well over 900 years. In Moses' case it was closer to 1,500 years.

A movie was made a while back, can't remember the name of it, but the director had these verses in mind and had certain characters walking the Earth since Jesus' time, longing for His return with power so they could finally leave this place.

If another example is needed of someone in the bible who did not die within the normal limits of a lifetime, it is Enoch. Enoch never tasted death. He lived for hundreds of years and then was taken up into heaven directly without dying.