Materliasm and the cult of self

Originally posted by RJHinds
Sure, but I don't see that it is any greater that you have in Great Britain.

The Instructor

my main point is the juxtaposition between christianity and greed. america is a much more religious nation than britain yet is just as greedy (although i would argue that britain is less greedy and selfish).

Originally posted by stellspalfie
my main point is the juxtaposition between christianity and greed. america is a much more religious nation than britain yet is just as greedy (although i would argue that britain is less greedy and selfish).

Okay, I can't prove it one way are the other. But it is just not such a big problem in my mind. If they get too greedy, they usually eventually get caught and put behind bars or die and the Federal government taxes the hell out of them.

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
Okay, I can't prove it one way are the other. But it is just not such a big problem in my mind. If they get too greedy, they usually eventually get caught and put behind bars or die and the Federal government taxes the hell out of them.

The Instructor

its not a few individuals though is it. the whole american dream is built on the worship of capitalism. so it seem odd to me when robbie calls atheists materialistic, as america is a society built by christians and its the one of the most materialistic on the planet.

should christian societies be the least materialistic?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
its not a few individuals though is it. the whole american dream is built on the worship of capitalism. so it seem odd to me when robbie calls atheists materialistic, as america is a society built by christians and its the one of the most materialistic on the planet.

should christian societies be the least materialistic?

You have apparently bought into all that propaganda on the evils of capitalism. There are just as many evils coming out of communism and socialism in my opinion. Capitalism and belief in God is one of the main reason American has prospered. However, President Obama has said that American is not a Christian nation and he should know as the President. So maybe it is wrong of you to blame the materialism of many Americans on Christianity, when giving is an important part of the Christian faith. We could not give, if we had nothing to give.

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
We could not give, if we had nothing to give.

Take that Robbie! Apparently the root cause of materialism is actually the Christian teaching of giving.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You have apparently bought into all that propaganda on the evils of capitalism. There are just as many evils coming out of communism and socialism in my opinion. Capitalism and belief in God is one of the main reason American has prospered. However, President Obama has said that American is not a Christian nation and he should know as the President. So m ...[text shortened]... nt part of the Christian faith. We could not give, if we had nothing to give.

The Instructor

no, i didnt say capitalism was evil.

we are not having a 'which is the best political system debate' so the problems of socialism and communism are irrelevant (unless you think they create more greed than capitalism).

regardless if obama wants to call or not call you a christian nation. you are one of the most christian countries on the planet and also one of the most materialistic.

to be honest, i dont really think christians are more materialistic. im using america as example that materialism is not a product of atheism.



We could not give, if we had nothing to give.

i hope you understand how crazy this is.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
evidence please. or is this personal opinion? (the thing you fear to share).

i have produced extensive evidence in the past its tedious for me to do so again and again, all you need to do is google, reasons for abortions if you don't believe me.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Take that Robbie! Apparently the root cause of materialism is actually the Christian teaching of giving.

I distance myself from Hinds, he sits under his bottle gourd plant waiting on the destruction of Nineveh! such twisted logic has no place in scripture, the widows might (she gave more than all despite the fact that her contribution was so little) proves it, incontrovertibly. Why must you try me with these transparent free bird seed traps! I have transcended the forum.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i have produced extensive evidence in the past its tedious for me to do so again and again, all you need to do is google, reasons for abortions if you don't believe me.

the studies ive seen are all pretty vague. the top reason normally given is 'not ready for a baby' but this doesnt look deep enough for us to be able to call it social convenience. we need to know what 'not ready' means, what fears do they have?

the 2nd biggest answer is usually financial. this is also vague as people have different ideas of this means. i think we would all agree that not being able to feed or clothe a baby is more than social ease, equally the woman may not want to give up her sky subscription, which would very much be social convenience.

so, do you have any studies that go deeper than vague answers? you must right? otherwise you would be just guessing and we know you dont do that.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I distance myself from Hinds, .....

Distance yourself all you want, you will fail to make him any closer to atheism or materialism. Thus we have at least one example of a non-materialist path to the various evils you listed.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
the studies ive seen are all pretty vague. the top reason normally given is 'not ready for a baby' but this doesnt look deep enough for us to be able to call it social convenience. we need to know what 'not ready' means, what fears do they have?

the 2nd biggest answer is usually financial. this is also vague as people have different ideas of this mea ...[text shortened]... answers? you must right? otherwise you would be just guessing and we know you dont do that.

you dont believe in me dude, fine.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Distance yourself all you want, you will fail to make him any closer to atheism or materialism. Thus we have at least one example of a non-materialist path to the various evils you listed.

you cannot reach me dude, i have transcended the forum.