08 Jul 06
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesIf honor excludes hate, then the 4th Commandment already contradicts the implied commandment in this passage.
You're the man of the Bible. If you think the 4th Commandment is meaningful, then you tell me what it means.
Luke 14:26: "If any man come to me, and *hate* not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
How dealest thou with this discrepancy, Dr. Fred?
08 Jul 06
Originally posted by PawnokeyholeThis passage fits beautifully with my life. My father married a divorcee and from then on I had no contact with him because the Bible prohibits this kind of marriage. When his wife, Olive died I was simply overjoyed. I also have had no contact with many other family members. So as you can see the issue of hate has a place in a right relationship with God.
If honor excludes hate, then the 4th Commandment already contradicts the implied commandment in this passage.
Luke 14:26: "If any man come to me, and *hate* not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
How dealest thou with this discrepancy, Dr. Fred?
Let me get back to the issue of "honor." As you may know, I was an Eagle Scout, the highest level of the Boy Scouts. Its oath begins: "On my honor, I will do my best..." Honor is action oriented. It entails doing the right thing. Doing stems from believing. If I am believing the right way or the godly way, my doing should reflect my believing. When this happens I am "honorable."
08 Jul 06
Originally posted by kirksey957You have described honor as an intransitive verb.
Let me get back to the issue of "honor." As you may know, I was an Eagle Scout, the highest level of the Boy Scouts. Its oath begins: "On my honor, I will do my best..." Honor is action oriented. It entails doing the right thing. Doing stems from believing. If I am believing the right way or the godly way, my doing should reflect my believing. When this happens I am "honorable."
The 4th Commandment uses honor as a transitive verb, where the actor's action has an object, in this case, his parents.
What does honor mean when used as a transitive verb?
09 Jul 06
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesYou are straining at gnats and swallowing camels. The Word is the Word.
You have described honor as an intransitive verb.
The 4th Commandment uses honor as a transitive verb, where the actor's action has an object, in this case, his parents.
What does honor mean when used as a transitive verb?
09 Jul 06
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesYour line of reasoning and questioning is precisely what liberals and aethiests like to do. Do you believe that when Moses descended from Mt Sinai that there were footnotes on the tablets clairfying transient and intransient verbs? Believers know in their heart what is right and what is wrong. Unbelievers have a closed heart and mind. So do fags I might add.
But how can the Word be meaningful to you if you don't know its meaning?
How can you adhere to the 4th Commandment if you don't know what it commands?
Incidently, how will we know when our great debate is finished? I've noticed that only Pawnokeyhole has participated. Do chess players tend to be fags?
09 Jul 06
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesActually, the fourth commandment is transliterated as 'glorify,' which certainly requires action.
You have described honor as an intransitive verb.
The 4th Commandment uses honor as a transitive verb, where the actor's action has an object, in this case, his parents.
What does honor mean when used as a transitive verb?
09 Jul 06
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI call upon Scripture to rebuke you.
Then what need for Commandments at all, especially ones to which you cannot ascribe meaning?
This debate was over before it even started.
From Isaiah: "You shall indeed hear but never understand, and you shall indeed see but never perceive. For the people's heart has grown dull, and their ears are heavy of hearing, and their eyes have closed, lest they should perceive with their eyes and hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn to me to heal them."
09 Jul 06
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Originally posted by kirksey957I can go quote for quote with you.
I call upon Scripture to rebuke you.
From Isaiah: "You shall indeed hear but never understand, and you shall indeed see but never perceive. For the people's heart has grown dull, and their ears are heavy of hearing, and their eyes have closed, lest they should perceive with their eyes and hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn to me to heal them."
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." -- Matthew 5:43
These are the words of Jesus, not Isaiah. Which should be given more weight?
09 Jul 06
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesJesus should. That's is why he quotes Isaiah in the 13th chapter of Matthew.
I can go quote for quote with you.
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." -- Matthew 5:43
These are the words of Jesus, not Isaiah. Which should be given more weight?
09 Jul 06
Originally posted by kirksey957Are you serious?! You turned your back on your own family for that rag?! If that's God's way, I say "screw him".
My father married a divorcee and from then on I had no contact with him because the Bible prohibits this kind of marriage. When his wife, Olive died I was simply overjoyed. I also have had no contact with many other family members. So as you can see the issue of hate has a place in a right relationship with God.