03 Oct 10
Originally posted by karoly aczelPantheism/Pandeism strikes quite the chord with me. Just provides a strong universal context to things. Lays down explanation for, well, synchronicity like similarities we see across myths (symbols, messages and even some of the actual story). Or even in physical domains, describing things coming from one source (species, planets and stars from nebulas, different atoms from different numbers of protons/neutrons). Deja vu, that kind of stuff.
Does anyone have any specific myths that has any significance for them or that they just resonate with?
03 Oct 10
Originally posted by rwingettYes Ming.
It's too bad to see a potentially interesting thread devolve into yet another science vs. religion snoozefest.
What think you of Jung's Universal Unconscious concept. He based it on his findings of recurring mythic themes across many cultures. I respond to it, and archetypal thinking in general. It appears a reasonably valid "form".
03 Oct 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuIf you're using "bona fide" to mean "in good faith", then of course it isn't. If you're using it to mean "genuine", then of course it isn't. So, basically, no it isn't.
The science that is being pushed down peoples throats is not honest science, and the religion thats doing the same is not honest bonafide religion.
Vedanta is the only bonafide source of spiritual knowledge, and is the true higher science of life.
03 Oct 10
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatYou make the statement that you want spiritual truth, but you will not enquire sincerly into the teachings of Vedanta, because you got burnt out by christianity, and now you you think there is no spiritual truth anywhere.
If you're using "bona fide" to mean "in good faith", then of course it isn't. If you're using it to mean "genuine", then of course it isn't. So, basically, no it isn't.
But you do not invest any time into studying Vedanta, but it will be Vedanta that will give you the spiritual truth you so desire....so you are your own worst enemy.
All you are now is a bitter confused man.
03 Oct 10
Originally posted by TaomanI'm too old for Jung.
Yes Ming.
What think you of Jung's Universal Unconscious concept. He based it on his findings of recurring mythic themes across many cultures. I respond to it, and archetypal thinking in general. It appears a reasonably valid "form".
Get it? Old -> Jung/young. Get it? Oh, man, that's funny stuff. 😴
But seriously, I don't know the first thing about Jung. You'd have to explain it a bit.
03 Oct 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuWhat do you mean by 'science'? Are you using it with the standard definition in mind, or some other definition?
Vedanta is the only bonafide source of spiritual knowledge, and is the true higher science of life.
It seems to me you simply want to hijack the word, because you want the respect that goes along with it. (a popular tactic amongst theists).
03 Oct 10
Originally posted by twhiteheadOf course its a science, the highest science, for example you do your experiment, with the subject matter at the centre of the experiment, and then you observe the data,....so in spiritual life, your own cosnsciousness is the subject matter in the centre of the experiment, and you apply certain spiritual practises to your way of living, thinking, feeling, and you observe the responses, or data.
What do you mean by 'science'? Are you using it with the standard definition in mind, or some other definition?
It seems to me you simply want to hijack the word, because you want the respect that goes along with it. (a popular tactic amongst theists).
Exactly the same....now you know sir.
03 Oct 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuall under controlled conditions of course!
Of course its a science, the highest science, for example you do your experiment, with the subject matter at the centre of the experiment, and then you observe the data,....so in spiritual life, your own cosnsciousness is the subject matter in the centre of the experiment, and you apply certain spiritual practises to your way of living, thinking, feeling, and you observe the responses, or data.
Exactly the same....now you know sir.
incidently did anyone see Horizon recently "the end of God" ???
Some fascinating stuff showing brain activity of catholic nuns at prayer compared with Tibetan monks et cetera.
Seems like all religions produce the same effect.
03 Oct 10
Originally posted by wolfgang59Didnt see that my friend,.... but life style, diet, and meditations, do have a direct affect on mood and feelings, and of course brain activity of some soughts.
all under controlled conditions of course!
incidently did anyone see Horizon recently "the end of God" ???
Some fascinating stuff showing brain activity of catholic nuns at prayer compared with Tibetan monks et cetera.
Seems like all religions produce the same effect.
04 Oct 10
Originally posted by rwingettMmm. droll funny. I worked in that area, so my interest. Jung challenged Freud, his professor, (with whom he eventually fell out) and got into esoteric stuff and synchronicity ( a very interesting topic in itself). He explored symbols in dreams and cultures and found recurring themes. From it postulated that there is an underlying "field" of global or universal human unconsciousness that links it all together. He went on to see shadow" archetypes, that express the unwanted stuff in us, and saw male/female split in us as "animus/anima" with associated meanings.
I'm too old for Jung.
Get it? Old -> Jung/young. Get it? Oh, man, that's funny stuff. 😴
But seriously, I don't know the first thing about Jung. You'd have to explain it a bit.
This concept of an underlying linking "field" shows its head in other "paths".
My take on it is that this field is what we sometimes link into in dreams and gives one explanation to psychic stuff. Ultimately (imo) it is also a field of "form" and the highest is when all forms coalesce into the "Emptiness/Void" ultimate underlying Reality. I will mention science again, only to mention that quantum stuff doesn't appear to be at odds with this, without making unwarranted assumptions about that new area of scientific discovery.
Cheers
04 Oct 10
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Originally posted by vishvahetuThat's words of an fundamentalist.
Of course its a science, the highest science, for example you do your experiment, with the subject matter at the centre of the experiment, and then you observe the data,....so in spiritual life, your own cosnsciousness is the subject matter in the centre of the experiment, and you apply certain spiritual practises to your way of living, thinking, feeling, and you observe the responses, or data.
Exactly the same....now you know sir.
Unfortunately fundamentalists don't know much about scientific methods, nor care to learn.
04 Oct 10
Originally posted by TaomanQuantum postulates that you cant have proper scientific experiments without including the observer (scientist).
Mmm. droll funny. I worked in that area, so my interest. Jung challenged Freud, his professor, (with whom he eventually fell out) and got into esoteric stuff and synchronicity ( a very interesting topic in itself). He explored symbols in dreams and cultures and found recurring themes. From it postulated that there is an underlying "field" of global or univers ...[text shortened]... ng unwarranted assumptions about that new area of scientific discovery.
Cheers
Since the observer needs to be present in all equations it follows that there is a "mind" which interacts with all things all the time. While this may be the mind of the scientist, it is only part of the greater mind, and understood in this context it is complimentary to Jungs collective unconciouss.
Quantum extends/compliments Jungs work in a lot of ways.
04 Oct 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuI know avalanche can answer for himself, but I think you are inferring too much again...
You make the statement that you want spiritual truth, but you will not enquire sincerly into the teachings of Vedanta, because you got burnt out by christianity, and now you you think there is no spiritual truth anywhere.
But you do not invest any time into studying Vedanta, but it will be Vedanta that will give you the spiritual truth you so desire....so you are your own worst enemy.
All you are now is a bitter confused man.