12 Sep 11
Originally posted by VoidSpiritso, let me get this straight.
whatever one 'believes' or does in life is irrelevant. whatever will be will be.
the way i see it, there are 3 possible outcomes of what to expect after life:
1- oblivion / no problem here.
2- the universe is ultimately ruled by benevolent god/entities
/ no problem here again, it means either:
2a- you take what you learned from your life on ea ...[text shortened]... viewed with pity and anyone who actively supports them will be viewed with scorn and disgust.
#2 - benevolent god - meaning one who agrees with you and your concept that you can sin as much as you want and still get away with it.
#3 - mentally deranged god - meaning one to whom any sin is abhorrent and will punish you accordingly.
ok, got it.
I just see this as kind of serf-serving. But what else should I expect?
12 Sep 11
Originally posted by SuzianneI am curious whether you can do any better than other theists in the past in explaining to me what purpose this punishment serves? Is it revenge? Is it as a deterrent? Is it to teach a lesson?
#3 - mentally deranged god - meaning one to whom any sin is abhorrent and will punish you accordingly.
I consider a God who punishes without a purpose mentally deranged, but if he has a purpose, I am willing to hear suggestions as to what that purpose may be.
13 Sep 11
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Originally posted by Suzianneno you didn't get it. apparently, you skipped right over 2b.
so, let me get this straight.
#2 - benevolent god - meaning one who agrees with you and your concept that you can sin as much as you want and still get away with it.
#3 - mentally deranged god - meaning one to whom any sin is abhorrent and will punish you accordingly.
ok, got it.
I just see this as kind of serf-serving. But what else should I expect?
what else should i have expected from a slave of a deranged god?
13 Sep 11
Originally posted by SuzianneI feel sorry for your delusions, yours and a billion others, well at least 2 billion. All deluded. You know, all 7 billion of us wishing all at once for a god will not bring one here, right?
Please be sure to let us all know how that works out for you.
Preferably before the wailing and gnashing of teeth, of course.
13 Sep 11
Originally posted by sonhouseOne's already here, my friend. The delusion's all yours.
I feel sorry for your delusions, yours and a billion others, well at least 2 billion. All deluded. You know, all 7 billion of us wishing all at once for a god will not bring one here, right?
Whatever helps you to sleep at night, I guess.
13 Sep 11
Originally posted by SuzianneHe has made a god or idol for himself because he does not like the idea
so, let me get this straight.
#2 - benevolent god - meaning one who agrees with you and your concept that you can sin as much as you want and still get away with it.
#3 - mentally deranged god - meaning one to whom any sin is abhorrent and will punish you accordingly.
ok, got it.
I just see this as kind of serf-serving. But what else should I expect?
that he might have to account for the things he has done while in the
body.
13 Sep 11
Originally posted by VoidSpirit2b?
no you didn't get it. apparently, you skipped right over 2b.
what else should i have expected from a slave of a deranged god?
"2b- some form of justice: you will have a finite punishment for finite crimes, after which you will be rehabilitated and continue on your journey."
I left it out as it is nonsensical.
"For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." -- Romans 6:23, KJV
The death that is in store for the unbelievers is not one you could be rehabilitated from.
13 Sep 11
Originally posted by twhiteheadVengence is mine, saith the Lord God Almighty. It is to provide justice.
I am curious whether you can do any better than other theists in the past in explaining to me what purpose this punishment serves? Is it revenge? Is it as a deterrent? Is it to teach a lesson?
I consider a God who punishes without a purpose mentally deranged, but if he has a purpose, I am willing to hear suggestions as to what that purpose may be.
Surely, you don't expect to get away the the wrong you have done
forever.
13 Sep 11
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Originally posted by twhiteheadAgain, the answer is in Romans 6:23.
I am curious whether you can do any better than other theists in the past in explaining to me what purpose this punishment serves? Is it revenge? Is it as a deterrent? Is it to teach a lesson?
I consider a God who punishes without a purpose mentally deranged, but if he has a purpose, I am willing to hear suggestions as to what that purpose may be.
"For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
God cannot abide sinners in Heaven. He already had a few there and He kicked them out. Now they work hard daily on Earth to bring about the fall of Man. And if numbers are any indication, they're well ahead of schedule.
The Good News (or "Gospel" ) is that He sent His Son to pay for our sins. Those who do not believe in Him reject this salvation, and are therefore condemned to pay for their own sins. And the wages of sin is death. And, I believe, an eternal separation from God. With the Resurrection, Christ showed His triumph over death. Sinful man is incapable of this triumph, and his death will not only be physical, but spiritual as well, a complete destruction of the soul; a second death, if you will, taking place after Judgement.
What purpose does this punishment serve? It is a culling of the wheat from the chaff. Those who deserve Heaven move on. Those who do not, do not.
13 Sep 11
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Originally posted by Suzianneit's nonsensical to worshipers of a demonic god who exacts vengeance and exhibits psychotic rage.
2b?
"2b- some form of justice: you will have a finite punishment for finite crimes, after which you will be rehabilitated and continue on your journey."
I left it out as it is nonsensical.
"For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." -- Romans 6:23, KJV
The death that is in store for the unbelievers is not one you could be rehabilitated from.
to any being who has a sense of justice however, it is the most sensible rule.
13 Sep 11
Originally posted by SuzianneSo here we are discussing various possible Gods and for you, anything that doesn't match the exact prescriptions of your Bible is necessarily nonsensical?
I left it out as it is nonsensical.
"For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." -- Romans 6:23, KJV
The death that is in store for the unbelievers is not one you could be rehabilitated from.
13 Sep 11
Originally posted by VoidSpiritUntil you have read the Holy Bible through and through and can quote
it's nonsensical to worshipers of a demonic god who exacts vengeance and exhibits psychotic rage.
to any being who has a sense of justice however, it is the most sensible rule.
scripture references that prove your claim, I will continue to believe that
what you say is nonsensical or influenced by the demon that is within.
13 Sep 11
Originally posted by RJHindsdear ,oh dear. I'm lost for words
Until you have read the Holy Bible through and through and can quote
scripture references that prove your claim, I will continue to believe that
what you say is nonsensical or influenced by the demon that is within.
Are you seriously going to play that "demon within"-card?
Even Galveston-75 resisted that and I saw that as a sign of reason and maturity.
Where to from now?
13 Sep 11
Originally posted by twhiteheadIf a so-called god does does not match the God and Creator of the universe
So here we are discussing various possible Gods and for you, anything that doesn't match the exact prescriptions of your Bible is necessarily nonsensical?
described in the Holy Bible, then it is no god at all, but only the ramblings
of a nonsesical mind. It is no better than the idol of any imaginary gods
carved on a totempole.