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01 May 14
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All the verses on fools are very impressive in the book of Proverbs. And after you read them you are struck by this culimination:
Proverbs 26:12 ( a few versions )
New International Version
Do you see a person wise in their own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for them.
New Living Translation
There is more hope for fools than for people who think they are wise.
English Standard Version
Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
New American Standard Bible
Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
01 May 14
Originally posted by KellyJaySo this site is full of fools. You use this site as an example of people being shown the truth and they will not change.
You again putting words in my mouth that are not true. You should limit
your conversation to truthful statements, I believe exactly what I said
about the scripture in question, which is that you can answer a fool or not
the effect will be no different.
Proverbs 26:
4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, Lest thou also be like unto him.
5 Answer ...[text shortened]...
the truth and make claims about me as you just did since I didn't talk about
Solomon!
Kelly
01 May 14
Originally posted by sonshipI knew a guy like that around here, you might remember him .. Jaywill I think his name was .. he always thought he knew it all.
All the verses on fools are very impressive in the book of Proverbs. And after you read them you are struck by this culimination:
[b]Proverbs 26:12 ( a few versions )
New International Version[/b]
Do you see a person wise in their own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for them.
New Living Translation
There is ...[text shortened]... b]
Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
Originally posted by KellyJayLets see. You said:
You are misrepresenting what I said again, you should limit your discussion to
what is said. It is dishonest what you are doing.
Kelly
it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, they will remain one.
Then FMF replied implying a fool can change with some of the right influence.
Then you disagreed using this site as an example :
.. You have been here long enough to see people confronted with truth and walk away unchanged
Obviously this site according to you, is full of examples of fools.
Originally posted by Rajk999Repeating what you said does not change what I did say. I did not say this
Lets see. You said:
it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, they will remain one.
Then FMF replied implying a fool can change with some of the right influence.
Then you disagreed using this site as an example :
.. You have been here long enough to see people confronted with truth and walk away unchanged
Obviously this site according to you, is full of examples of fools.
site is full of fools, that was you. Stop lying, you have twice now accused
me of things I did not say.
Kelly
01 May 14
Originally posted by KellyJayLets hope someone else will take the trouble to explain what you said/implied. Im not a good teacher.
Repeating what you said does not change what I did say. I did not say this
site is full of fools, that was you. Stop lying, you have twice now accused
me of things I did not say.
Kelly
01 May 14
Originally posted by FMFA person (whether foolish, or not) must accept guidance, leading, etc. before their position on an issue can change.
Really? Even if you teach them? Even if you guide them? Even if you show them? Even if you lead them? "They will remain one?"
Even once they are open to change, it is not likely that a single person is going to be able to immediately tear down a position that has been built up in the mind over years.
There are different types of fools. Some are the RJHinds variety, where it does not matter how brilliant the argument, or well-stated the case; it will not have the slightest impact on him. His walls of ego protect him from any external bombardment.
01 May 14
Originally posted by Rajk999I know what I said, I said it....you twisting my words you have to deal with,
Lets hope someone else will take the trouble to explain what you said/implied. Im not a good teacher.
but I'm good to let it go. We will both give an account for each word we say,
you and I. I know you are not a good mind reader, or figuring out intent, or
whatever it is you do when you take my words and try to make them mean
something other than what I said.
Kelly
01 May 14
Originally posted by KellyJaySo your concept of "fool" ~ your definition of it, and your interpretation of who the bible was referring to ~ only applies to the people on this web site? Have I understood you correctly?
Correct, it will not matter! You have been here long enough to see people
confronted with truth and walk away unchanged. We may not agree on what
truth is, but it is there.
When you say "it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, they will remain one" you are not referring to humanity at large? Just people "here"? Is that right?
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01 May 14
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Originally posted by Rajk999
I knew a guy like that around here, you might remember him .. Jaywill I think his name was .. he always thought he knew it all.
I knew a guy like that around here, you might remember him .. Jaywill I think his name was .. he always thought he knew it all.
That is not the case because I distinctly remember confessing to posters here and there that a question was too difficult for me to answer. Stick around and you'll no doubt see me tell someone that again. I think it is the best policy to admit when you don't know something.
I have also said that there are some "unknowns" about God's ways.
01 May 14
Originally posted by Rajk999Originally posted by Rajk999
So this site is full of fools. You use this site as an example of people being shown the truth and they will not change.
So, why wouldn't an honest academic or student of reality "change"? They're still alive and of sound mind.
So this site is full of fools. You use this site as an example of people being shown the truth and they will not change.
So, why wouldn't an honest academic or seeker of truth "change"? They're still alive and of sound mind.
02 May 14
Originally posted by FMFNeither, I said it happens I wasn't pointing to an amount here or else where.
So your concept of "fool" ~ your definition of it, and your interpretation of who the bible was referring to ~ only applies to the people on this web site? Have I understood you correctly?
When you say "it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, they will remain one" you are not referring to humanity at large? Just people "here"? Is that right?
Kelly
02 May 14
Originally posted by SwissGambitIf one starts agreeing with a fool to prevent conflict, the fool is likely to think he is wise. Then the one that agrees is also risking becoming like the fool.Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.(The paradox lifts this [IMO] beyond the usual 'fool' quotes in Proverbs. There are quite a few forum feuds at the moment where person X goes on about how foolish/confused person Y is, yet cannot help ...[text shortened]... ght for me to be angry, even unto death
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, lest ye become like him.
If the fool continues to be a fool and does foolish things that impact me, then I have a right to be angry about it.