Originally posted by Suzianneare you refering to real christians or "christians" that think killing people indiscriminately will solve something?
The obvious difference is that none of the Christians in this forum would ever consider leaving our faith, and you did. Others can make of that what they will.
26 Aug 15
Originally posted by FMFBefore I lost my belief in the credibility of the Bible - and therefore my Christian beliefs - I never considered leaving the faith.
Before I lost my belief in the credibility of the Bible - and therefore my Christian beliefs - I never considered leaving the faith. So from my perspective, a Christian stating 'I would never consider leaving my faith' can only constitute a 'fact' in so far as it relates to the present [I used to think the same thing, after all] but, beyond that, such certainty- ...[text shortened]... moment can only be an assumption or aspiration when it comes to what may happen in their future,
You’ve stated this before. What I don’t understand is what you mean by “credibility”. Do you mean something like literalism/inerrancy? I don’t intend this as an argumentative question.
Originally posted by vistesdI eventually came to realize that I did not believe that the Bible was divinely inspired or that any supernatural occurrences had contributed to its writing. So, I could no longer subscribe to the claims that Christians make their God figure and about the meaning they attach to the life and death Jesus. As such, professing Christian beliefs became untenable.
What I don’t understand is what you mean by “credibility”.
27 Aug 15
Originally posted by FMFAs you wish. But others here are older than two and can discern what I meant.
So, if, as you now seem to be saying, you were not referring to the bit about not "recognizing what others offer", which bit of what I said prompted you to say "Oh the irony" because if you can't say what was ironic - in your view - about what I said, then "Oh the irony" comes across as either a mere swish or just a blurt, neither of which seems to have benefitted from even a momet's thought, which is so often the way with you. 😉
Originally posted by SuzianneThis dodge would then indeed indicate that your "Oh the irony" post was a trademark thoughtless swish-and-a-blurt. You sell yourself short, Suzianne, day after day. 😀
As you wish. But others here are older than two and can discern what I meant.
My comment about Grampy Bobby gushing self-promoting-ly about how he misses a certain poster - when the very fact he didn't/doesn't really know the poster at all, and rarely ever engaged him properly, and still doesn't - therefore stands - irony-free - and is an on-topic response to the OP.
27 Aug 15
Originally posted by FMFAs I said, others will make of that what they will. I don't have to lead them around by the nose to see the irony.
This dodge would then indeed indicate that your "Oh the irony" post was a trademark thoughtless swish-and-a-blurt. You sell yourself short, Suzianne, day after day. 😀
My comment about Grampy Bobby gushing self-promoting-ly about how he misses a certain poster - when the very fact he didn't/doesn't really know the poster at all, and rarely ever engaged him pr ...[text shortened]... erly, and still doesn't - therefore stands - irony-free - and is an on-topic response to the OP.
27 Aug 15
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyOK, scripturally, I was thinking of the women not recognising the risen Christ and also the OT account of Melchesideck (probably spelt wrongly). I enjoy certain passages where those seeking Christ find him but don't recognise him. It is an interesting contemporary parallel.
Share your interest and would appreciate any particular passages of scripture which are your "favourite parts".
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyParts of the bible I like......The End
Original post by SwissGambit (on 30 Apr '14 21:49) Thread 159077 (Page 1 his second post)
[b]Parts of the Bible I like
"I don't see the Proverbs verses as a problematic contradiction. Perhaps the same word was used deliberately, as a rhetorical device; or, the words were different in the original Hebrew, and became the same ...[text shortened]... ts, personal messages and thumbs down [which evidence readership] are welcome as always. Thanks,[/b]
Originally posted by Suziannean example? out of the many available in the bible? some kids mock the prophet whatshisname for being bald, 40 children die as retribution. death by bear. nevermind that it's insane to kill children for mocking you (their children, they have no common sense), nevermind that is even more insane to use feckin bears for it. why did 40 children have to die for the "sin" of a few?
What "indiscriminate" killing are you talking about? God discriminates quite well, thank you.
27 Aug 15
Originally posted by ZahlanziI don't contest your point here. But I am still interested in understanding on what basis you proclaim yourself to be Christian if you'd care to share that?
an example? out of the many available in the bible? some kids mock the prophet whatshisname for being bald, 40 children die as retribution. death by bear. nevermind that it's insane to kill children for mocking you (their children, they have no common sense), nevermind that is even more insane to use feckin bears for it. why did 40 children have to die for the "sin" of a few?
Originally posted by divegeesteri believe in jesus and i follow (try) his teachings. therefore christian.
I don't contest your point here. But I am still interested in understanding on what basis you proclaim yourself to be Christian if you'd care to share that?
i don't have to be homophobic to be christian.
i don't have to excuse fictional killings.
i don't have to be anti-science.
i don't have to be sexist
27 Aug 15
Originally posted by ZahlanziA good response, thanks. You clearly don't think the OT is inspired scripture; do you believe the entire NT is?
i believe in jesus and i follow (try) his teachings. therefore christian.
i don't have to be homophobic to be christian.
i don't have to excuse fictional killings.
i don't have to be anti-science.
i don't have to be sexist
28 Aug 15
Originally posted by ZahlanziAnd apparently, you don't need faith, either. And oh yeah, even atheists and unrepentant sinners go to heaven because God is just such a nice guy.
i believe in jesus and i follow (try) his teachings. therefore christian.
i don't have to be homophobic to be christian.
i don't have to excuse fictional killings.
i don't have to be anti-science.
i don't have to be sexist
You give us normal liberals a bad name.