08 Feb 12
Originally posted by jaywillthree minutes, one cannot state anything of any depth within three minutes, no wonder
Where I meet we do not have "sermons" as you expect.
There is no "pulpit".
There is no "clergy".
There is no "laity".
Our meetings are encourage [b]all to come with something to say. Each person is permitted at least three minutes to speak.
We call this "All saints prophesying meetings" for Paul said that we can all prophesy one by one tha ...[text shortened]... be long remembered more so than a lot of sermons given by men.[/b]
its emotionalism at best.
08 Feb 12
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Originally posted by SwissGambitHere's what the Bible has to say:
Source?
And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver.... And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.
And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels.
And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.
And if it be from sixty years old and above; if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female ten shekels. -- Leviticus 27:3-7
Kind of spells it out right there. Men are worth more than women. That is only one example.
The Christian god does not like women, it thinks men are worth more. Some god.
How long would that last if there were only men and NO women? Maybe one generation?
08 Feb 12
Originally posted by sonhouseNo - not that - I want to know where you got the stuff you posted at the bottom of page 2.
Here's what the Bible has to say:
And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver.... And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.
And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twent ...[text shortened]... ome god.
How long would that last if there were only men and NO women? Maybe one generation?
08 Feb 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat is the foolish statement of one who does not have experience.
three minutes, one cannot state anything of any depth within three minutes, no wonder
its emotionalism at best.
If one gets to the point, does not meander, is living, is clear, speaks from the release of the spirit, she or he can build up others quite well. If in about 70 people speaking, not their opinions but the word of God backed by their experience, makes a very edifying meeting.
But since it takes under three minutes to read most of your posts I assume you are admitting to never have written anything worthwhile spiritually.
08 Feb 12
Originally posted by jaywillIts simply that as a public speaker i know how difficult it can be to state anything of real depth in three minutes, but then againI am used to reasoning from the scriptures, not talking like a fruitbat full of fruity fruitcake.
That is the foolish statement of one who does not have experience.
If one gets to the point, does not meander, is living, is clear, speaks from the release of the spirit, she or he can build up others quite well. If in about 70 people speaking, not their opinions but the word of God backed by their experience, makes a very edifying meeting.
But sin ...[text shortened]... of your posts I assume you are admitting to never have written anything worthwhile spiritually.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its simply that as a public speaker i know how difficult it can be to state anything of real depth in three minutes, but then againI am used to reasoning from the scriptures, not talking like a fruitbat full of fruity fruitcake.
Its simply that as a public speaker i know how difficult it can be to state anything of real depth in three minutes, but then again I am used to reasoning from the scriptures, not talking like a fruitbat full of fruity fruitcake.
"Real depth" ? Jesus Christ Himself is all the "REAL DEPTH" required for the meeting. And He is in EVERY member of His Body - "Christ is all and in all".
If you are use to reasoning from Scripture then let's come to the Scripture.
Let's bring you BACK to the Bible of which you are woefully ignorant. It is what is REAL that counts in the speaking of a Christian meeting, not simply what is DEEP.
It is entirely edifying to hear a teenager who has just come to the Lord Jesus to express her love for the Lord. It may not be "DEEP" but it is REAL. We function EACH according to our MEASURE of grace.
"But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of the gift of Christ." (Eph. 4:7)
In the living Body of Christ "EACH one of us" grace was given. Grace itself is "deep". Grace given to EACH member is refreshing and nourishing to the building up of the Body.
"But holding to truth in love, we may grow up into Him in all things, who is the Head, Christ,
Out from whom all the Body, being joined together and being knit together through every joint of the rich supply and through the operation in the MEASURE OF EACH ONE PART, causes the growth of the body unto the building up of itself in love." ( Eph. 4:14,15)
Every part of the Body operates in its measure. Every part functions for the building up of the Body of Christ in love. Did you see that? Paul encourages "EVERY JOINT ... OF THE RICH SUPPLY".
Your elite way of only affording only the half hour "DEEPER", "more substantial" ones to speak is religion and not the revelation of the NT.
There are special times set aside for more substantial teaching. But there is much encouragement for EACH ONE PART of this living Body to function, releasing reality into the meeting.
" ... holding the Head, out from whom all the Body, being richly supplied and knit together by means of the joints and sinews ..."
The older saints are joints and sinews of the Body. But the younger saints can also be joints and sinews richly supplying the congregation for its building up.
So ALL are encouraged to speak because Paul taught -
"What then, brothers? Whenever you come together, EACH ONE has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up." (1 Cor. 14:26)
Paul did not say only the DEEPER ones have something? He said EACH ONE has something for the meeting. If you think you cannot be edified by a new believer giving simple praise and thanks you are too proud.
Some are more experienced. Some are new experienced. Paul said EACH ONE HAS, EACH ONE HAS.
This does not forbid us to have special times for more specialized imparting. But passivity and and thinking "SOMEONE ELSE" has to function is discouraged. Each one can function according to the measure of grace wrought into them.
"For you can ALL prophesy one by one that ALL may learn and ALL may be encouraged." (1 Cor. 14:31)
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Originally posted by jaywillClearly you have no idea what scripture states,Its simply that as a public speaker i know how difficult it can be to state anything of real depth in three minutes, but then again I am used to reasoning from the scriptures, not talking like a fruitbat full of fruity fruitcake.
"Real depth" ? Jesus Christ Himself is all the "REAL DEPTH" required for the meeting. And He is in EVERY m at ALL may learn and ALL may be encouraged." (1 Cor. 14:31) [/b]
(Acts 20:7) On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to have a
meal, Paul began discoursing to them, as he was going to depart the next day; and he
prolonged his speech until midnight.
three minutes of prasie da lord or an in-depth public discourse?
(Acts 17:2-3) . . .So according to Paul’s custom he went inside to them, and for
three sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving
by references that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the
dead, and [saying]: “This is the Christ, this Jesus whom I am publishing to you.. . .
three Sabbaths or three minute hallelujah look at me i am saved?
09 Feb 12
Originally posted by sonhouseDon't you realize these rules were made by Moses. What God wrote on the
Here's what the Bible has to say:
And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver.... And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.
And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twent ...[text shortened]... ome god.
How long would that last if there were only men and NO women? Maybe one generation?
tablets of stone with His own finger was "The Ten Commandments".
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou added nothing to my familiarity with the book of Acts.
Clearly you have no idea what scripture states,
(Acts 20:7) On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to have a
meal, Paul began discoursing to them, as he was going to depart the next day; and he
prolonged his speech until midnight.
three minutes of prasie da lord or an in-depth public discourse?
(Acts 17:2-3) . . . ...[text shortened]... I am publishing to you.. . .
three Sabbaths or three minute hallelujah look at me i am saved?
And above I clearly wrote, and you clearly missed this:
There are special times set aside for more substantial teaching.
09 Feb 12
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Originally posted by jaywillspecial times, more extra biblical reasoning, i cannot think of one three minute
You added nothing to my familiarity with the book of [b]Acts.
And above I clearly wrote, and you clearly missed this:
There are special times set aside for more substantial teaching.[/b]
discourse in the entire Bible, can you? the point is of course that Paul and Christ
always used the scriptures as a reference, in the horror video that you posted, i saw
many clutching bibles, i did not see one being opened up and meaning given to the
words, no not once. Do you think this is why Christendom produces such weak
christians?
09 Feb 12
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Originally posted by Rajk999True. Most are shocked to see some that Paul said it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
What you have demonstrated that the bulk of Christians dont read their bible.
Most are at least vaguely familiar with the man as the head of household concept, and with the thinking in fundamentalist christian churches that women not be pastors or deacons, but are surprised to see that Paul expressly states that it is shameful for a woman to speak in church, and if she has any questions let her ask her husband at home.
09 Feb 12
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Originally posted by jaywillQuestion: Is the choice 1 you list a sin. In other words, if a woman chooses choice 1 in addition to or in lieu your choice 2, has she committed a sin, in view of Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35.
So Christian Sisters, let's say you had to make a choice:
[b] 1.) You get a title, "Reverend" or something. You get to wear some perculiar outfit which makes you stand out from the "laity". Each week you get to speak and speak sermons after sermon after sermon most of which no one listens to that much as they sit passively in their pews. But you get ...[text shortened]... er to thousands. Everybody flatters you all the time about how eloquent a speaker you are. [/b]
Further comments regarding your choice 1: Pauls words seems to be much more restrictive than the prohibition of a woman having a reverend title you mention in choice 1, but is that it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. Thus, for example, a woman would be prohibited from simply speaking in church on rare occasion to provide witness to her glorious life with god. Or even prohibited from merely raising her hand in church to ask a question, but instead she must wait till she returns home to ask her husband.