24 Oct 13
I thought this was interesting from the spiritual quotes thread.
Richard Ruhr, a Franciscan priest, who did a comparative study of initiation rites discovered a remarkable similarity in the 'lessons of life' that such rites attempt to teach the young. He summarised them as follows:
• Life is hard.
• You're going to die.
• You're not that important.
• You're not in control.
• Life is not just about you.
They sound harsh and yet each one contains a spiritual truth, and a truth best grasped early. And yet, it seems, in our culture we want to hide these truths, especially from our children. So we feed them:
• Life can be easy.
• You can stay young forever.
• You are what's most important.
• You must stay in control.
• Life is mostly about you and your fulfilment.
I think most religions are about control and making the individual insignificant. Debate!
24 Oct 13
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Originally posted by wolfgang59I think you're in the wrong church.
I think most religions are about control and making the individual insignificant. Debate!
You don't go to church? Then how can you make this kind of wildly general and overbearing statement? It's just an opinion, and not very well researched at that.
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24 Oct 13
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Originally posted by SuzianneThe priest's name is actually Richard Rohr, which yields better search results. He seems to be more of an inspirational speaker, writer, etc., than a research-oriented anthropologist.
I think you're in the wrong church.
You don't go to church? Then how can you make this kind of wildly general and overbearing statement? It's just an opinion, and not very well researched at that.
24 Oct 13
Originally posted by SuzianneYes just my opinion and I was just asking for opinions of others.
It's just an opinion, and not very well researched at that.
It seems to me that religions are about rules; controlling sexual practices,
dictating dress-codes, saying what you can & cannot eat, what to do or not to do on a certain day of the week, how to deal with the newly born, how to deal with the dead. Its all about conformity and control.
Of course I do not know your church Suzianne so I am making a general statement.
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24 Oct 13
Originally posted by wolfgang59• Life is hard.
I thought this was interesting from the spiritual quotes thread.
[i]Richard Ruhr, a Franciscan priest, who did a comparative study of initiation rites discovered a remarkable similarity in the 'lessons of life' that such rites attempt to teach the young. He summarised them as follows:
• Life is hard.
• You're going to die.
• You're not that impor ...[text shortened]... /i]
I think most religions are about control and making the individual insignificant. Debate!
Life has it's challenges, but with God on your side, it is no big deal. In fact, it is an adventure. He promises to show himself strong for his people.
• You're going to die.
We are all going to die, if the Lord tarries. But he will raise me up when he does return. There will be great joy, eternal life, no more fear, no sorrows, no war, no more crying, an abundance of food, shall I go on?
• You're not that important.
I am very important to God, so much so that he sent his Son to die on a cross to save me and give me eternal life. But God and Jesus are truly who are important.
• You're not in control.
Thank God for that!! But what I can control is to choose not to sin and do what is right. I can also choose to be thankful, to praise him, love him and fellowship with him every day!
• Life is not just about you.
No, it is not, but God cherishes each one of his children as though it were only about them.
If you only had a true revelation of the love God has for you too! Sigh..
25 Oct 13
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Originally posted by wolfgang59Many people do use religion in an attempt to control and take advantage of others. These are the false teachers that Jesus and the apostles warned about. It is clear that Muhammad was a false teacher and prophet of Islam. However, it is not always so clear to everyone in all religions.
Yes just my opinion and I was just asking for opinions of others.
It seems to me that religions are about rules; controlling sexual practices,
dictating dress-codes, saying what you can & cannot eat, what to do or not to do on a certain day of the week, how to deal with the newly born, how to deal with the dead. Its all about conformity and control.
Of course I do not know your church Suzianne so I am making a general statement.
Instead of following after false religious teachers, we should be following the teachings of Jesus, who claimed to be the way, the truth, and the life.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!
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25 Oct 13
Originally posted by checkbaiterYeah, we are SO important to this god that it allowed 100 million people to be killed in genocides and war in the last 100 years alone. Great god you have there.
[b]• Life is hard.
Life has it's challenges, but with God on your side, it is no big deal. In fact, it is an adventure. He promises to show himself strong for his people.
• You're going to die.
We are all going to die, if the Lord tarries. But he will raise me up when he does return. There will be great joy, eternal life, no more fe ...[text shortened]... re only about them.
If you only had a true revelation of the love God has for you too! Sigh..[/b]
25 Oct 13
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Originally posted by checkbaiterWell, sunhouse is saying that he will not accept a god that will allow 100 million people to be killed in genocides and war in the last 100 years alone. I guess he does not believe God should allow death. Can you tell him why God allows death?
I keep telling you, that is YOUR god doing that!
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25 Oct 13
Originally posted by wolfgang59To whom?
• You're not that important.
• You're not in control.
Actually we are often in control of a lot more than we realize.
• Life is not just about you.
To whom?
They sound harsh and yet each one contains a spiritual truth, and a truth best grasped early.
Please explain why they are best grasped early.
25 Oct 13
Originally posted by wolfgang59Interesting, I was reading a book that did the exact same thing about
I thought this was interesting from the spiritual quotes thread.
[i]Richard Ruhr, a Franciscan priest, who did a comparative study of initiation rites discovered a remarkable similarity in the 'lessons of life' that such rites attempt to teach the young. He summarised them as follows:
• Life is hard.
• You're going to die.
• You're not that impor ...[text shortened]... /i]
I think most religions are about control and making the individual insignificant. Debate!
Jesus' sermon on the mound, where they took what He said and flipped
it to look at what it looks like if you reject that and embraced the exact
opposite point by point and came off saying that the world around us
actually does push opposite of Jesus’ words.
Kelly
25 Oct 13
Originally posted by wolfgang59Yes, absolutely. All religions, in my view, seek to control. How can it be otherwise? Without the rigorous control of dogma, individuals would be free to come to their own conclusion about the big questions (horror of horrors). Religions are like clubs, each with its own rules and regulations, and you will only be saved if you belong to a particular club. Interface between clubs is strictly forbidden.
I think most religions are about control and making the individual insignificant. Debate!
25 Oct 13
Originally posted by Pianoman1Clubs or gangs?
Yes, absolutely. All religions, in my view, seek to control. How can it be otherwise? Without the rigorous control of dogma, individuals would be free to come to their own conclusion about the big questions (horror of horrors). Religions are like clubs, each with its own rules and regulations, and you will only be saved if you belong to a particular club. Interface between clubs is strictly forbidden.
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