13 Sep 17
Originally posted by @great-king-ratYes, people are sheep as the Bible says.
Do you see the need for government, Whodey?
What about the police force? Or the military? Or hospitals?
Lemmings is a less flattering term.
Choose your shepherd wisely.
13 Sep 17
Originally posted by @whodeyI didn't ask you about people being sheep or what your big book of fairytales
Yes, people are sheep as the Bible says.
Lemmings is a less flattering term.
Choose your shepherd wisely.
Psst, remember when you made fun of someone believing in supernatural causes for natural events?? Haha, that was funny, wasn't it?
tells you.
I asked YOU if YOU see the need for a government.
It's a simple question. Which is what people like you and Eladar seem to struggle with a lot. Because simple questions make lies appear more apparent.
So, again: Do YOU see a need for government?
13 Sep 17
Originally posted by @great-king-ratYes, we all need direction.
I didn't ask you about people being sheep or what your big book of fairytales [hidden]Psst, remember when you made fun of someone believing in supernatural causes for natural events?? Haha, that was funny, wasn't it?[/hidden] tells you.
I asked YOU if YOU see the need for a government.
It's a simple question. Which is what people like you and E ...[text shortened]... simple questions make lies appear more apparent.
So, again: Do YOU see a need for government?
In 1 Samuel 8 we see the children if Israel begging for a king like all the other nations. God warned them about the evils they would encounter with a human king but they continued to demand one, so God gave them one.
God said that this was a rejection of him as their king. Before this time, there was no king of Israel, just judges to hear disputes
13 Sep 17
Originally posted by @whodeySo you'd favour a state in which there "just judges to hear disputes" and no government? Is that what your answer to Great King Rat's straight-on-the-nose question is?
God said that this was a rejection of him as their king. Before this time, there was no king of Israel, just judges to hear disputes
13 Sep 17
Originally posted by @whodeyYour answer befuddles me and I agree with FMF's question.
Yes, we all need direction.
In 1 Samuel 8 we see the children if Israel begging for a king like all the other nations. God warned them about the evils they would encounter with a human king but they continued to demand one, so God gave them one.
God said that this was a rejection of him as their king. Before this time, there was no king of Israel, just judges to hear disputes
Are you saying it would be more beneficial to get rid of government? In other words, are you an anarchist?
Originally posted by @great-king-ratNo, we need a shepherd.
Your answer befuddles me and I agree with FMF's question.
Are you saying it would be more beneficial to get rid of government? In other words, are you an anarchist?
The people of Israel voted for another human instead of their God.
How hard is that to understand?
God was willing to heed their freedom to give them what they wanted.
Conversely, once man obtains such power he never relinquishes it willingly.
13 Sep 17
Originally posted by @whodeySo what is your answer to Great King Rat's question? "Civil society" is a term that has a specific meaning. I have no idea whether you even know what it means. So I'll settle for an answer to the question. Only judges? No government? Just say something clear.
The role of government is to maintain a civil society.
Would you agree?
13 Sep 17
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Originally posted by @fmfWell I think we all agree that freedom of choice is the issue. We all want freedom and want to give freedom to others, but what do you do with those that abuse the freedom of others with your own free will? Those are the ones that present the problem of a society that wants to remain civil.
So what is your answer to Great King Rat's question? "Civil society" is a term that has a specific meaning. I have no idea whether you even know what it means. So I'll settle for an answer to the question. Only judges? No government? Just say something clear.
Would you agree?
13 Sep 17
Originally posted by @whodeyWhat about Great King Rat's question?
Well I think we all agree that freedom of choice is the issue. We all want freedom and want to give freedom to others, but what do you do with those that abuse the freedom of others with your own free will? Those are the ones that present the problem of a society that wants to remain civil.
Would you agree?
The bottom line is, we need to maintain a civil society. As a society, we have two choices to achieve this. We can either create a massive police state to impose the civil society on us, or we can have those who have freedom self enforce a moral code that maintains a civil society.
In short, we can either maintain a civil society by our own free will and inernal moral compass or have someone else do it for us. To have both a free society and civil society, there must first be a moral society. There is no other way.
I say that only through God can we have the moral society that allows for a free society that also negates the need for an increasingly intrusive state to do it for us.
13 Sep 17
Originally posted by @whodeySo, your answer to Great King Rat's question is "yes"?
The bottom line is, we need to maintain a civil society. As a society, we have two choices to achieve this. We can either create a massive police state to impose the civil society on us, or we can have those who have freedom self enforce a moral code that maintains a civil society.
In short, we can either maintain a civil society by our own free will an ...[text shortened]... r a free society that also negates the need for an increasingly intrusive state to do it for us.
Originally posted by @fmfMy answer is, it depends on the morality of the society.
So, your answer to Great King Rat's question is "yes"?
A society that has the morality of a jail cell will need to have all it's freedoms taken away and civility imposed upon it.
If I wanted to create a police state, I would wage war on the morality of society.