14 Apr 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadi don't because most priests involved in pedophilia i hear about are catholics. maybe the protestant and orthodox have better PR?😀
Do you have any statistics to show that Catholic priests have a higher incidence of pedophilia than other denominations? Or even the general population?
14 Apr 08
Originally posted by ZahlanziThat is quite possible. Also, the publicity might be greater when it is a catholic priest. Also there are probably more catholic priests than any other single denomination - maybe more than all the other denominations put together.
i don't because most priests involved in pedophilia i hear about are catholics. maybe the protestant and orthodox have better PR?😀
They are also not the only organization guilty of covering up such things. It even happens with teachers - they get transfered instead of fired.
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15 Apr 08
Originally posted by Zahlanziunfair to say that because catholic priests "don't get any" they cannot keep their thingies in their pants.
unfair to say that because catholic priests "don't get any" they cannot keep their thingies in their pants.
and also unfair to say that, given the opportunity, the orthodox and protestant priests will engage in pedophilia.
also don't get me wrong. i am not saying that being a catholic priest means you are a pedophile. i am just saying that the current ...[text shortened]... even become priests because they would enter an organization that allows them to get away.
and also unfair to say that, given the opportunity, the orthodox and protestant priests will engage in pedophilia.
It is telling, however, that besides the Catholic priest, the teacher is most stereotypically seen as the pedophile.
I also never said that priests cannot keep "their thingies in their pants", nor that Orthodox and Protestant priests will engage in pedophilia. It is just a fact that Orthodox priests have a different life to that of the Catholic priest - an Orthodox priest rarely can be a pedophile.
15 Apr 08
Originally posted by Conrau KIn what ways? Do they not teach? Are there no orthodox alter boys?
It is just a fact that Orthodox priests have a different life to that of the Catholic priest - an Orthodox priest rarely can be a pedophile.
As far as I know pedophiles come from all professions and walks of life, although opportunity does have a significant impact.
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15 Apr 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadThe celibate ones generally live in monasteries; however, they might serve in a parish. I can only speak from my own knowledge, but Orthodox clerics do not teach - their religious orders are devoted to monasticism and contemplation.
In what ways? Do they not teach? Are there no orthodox alter boys?
As far as I know pedophiles come from all professions and walks of life, although opportunity does have a significant impact.
Liturgical differences are an important factor. Although the Orthodox priest will have altar boys, he will probably also have a deacon, along with a number of other people (an Orthodox Mass is very dramatic, almost like a staging.) So an Orthodox priest cannot "lure" altar boys, as he is among a number of other performers of the mass.
16 Apr 08
Originally posted by Conrau KThe priests don't lure the boys during the Mass; it simply wouldn't be possible, so the liturgical differences don't seem material. Also priests aren't teachers at the elementary level -- teaching priests stick to high schools, and I think most victims were younger than high school age. A pedophile will create the opportunity regardless of his or her circumstances, although some are attracted to positions that put them in frequent contact with children. Also, celibacy is immaterial. If it were a meaningful criterion then children would be safe from sexual abuse in their own homes.
The celibate ones generally live in monasteries; however, they might serve in a parish. I can only speak from my own knowledge, but Orthodox clerics do not teach - their religious orders are devoted to monasticism and contemplation.
Liturgical differences are an important factor. Although the Orthodox priest will have altar boys, he will probably also h ...[text shortened]... odox priest cannot "lure" altar boys, as he is among a number of other performers of the mass.
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16 Apr 08
Originally posted by pawnhandlerThe priests don't lure the boys during the Mass; it simply wouldn't be possible, so the liturgical differences don't seem material.
The priests don't lure the boys during the Mass; it simply wouldn't be possible, so the liturgical differences don't seem material. Also priests aren't teachers at the elementary level -- teaching priests stick to high schools, and I think most victims were younger than high school age. A pedophile will create the opportunity regardless of his or her c ...[text shortened]... ere a meaningful criterion then children would be safe from sexual abuse in their own homes.
But both Catholic and Orthodox churches have presbytries in which the clerics, that includes the non ordained orders, will dress. That, as I understand, has been one place in which a priest could abuse altar servants. In the Orthodox Church, however, this is less feasible as a number of other men are likely to be in the room.
Also priests aren't teachers at the elementary level -- teaching priests stick to high schools, and I think most victims were younger than high school age.
That is generally true of priests now. But that is a new phenomenon.
A pedophile will create the opportunity regardless of his or her circumstances, although some are attracted to positions that put them in frequent contact with children
Exactly. So, say, a Catholic pedophile might be more attracted to the Catholic priesthood than a Greek counterpart would be to the Orthodox priesthood. Hence why there would be more representation of pedophiles in the Catholic clerical hierarchy than in the Orthodox verson.
16 Apr 08
Originally posted by Conrau Kthey teach. mostly the ones without parishes do that but they can be able if they want to. unless they have a busy schedule they will take up religion classes.(don't know how it is called in other countries).
The celibate ones generally live in monasteries; however, they might serve in a parish. I can only speak from my own knowledge, but Orthodox clerics do not teach - their religious orders are devoted to monasticism and contemplation.
Liturgical differences are an important factor. Although the Orthodox priest will have altar boys, he will probably also h ...[text shortened]... odox priest cannot "lure" altar boys, as he is among a number of other performers of the mass.
as a side note, before yelling "brain wash" bear in mind that it is an optional course, some schools don't have it, after the 12th grade you won't find religion except theological colleges and at least my religion teachers mostly abstained from mixing religion with science, and simply concentrated on the narrative part of the bible
16 Apr 08
Originally posted by Conrau KIt must depend on where you live. In the US, Catholic elementary schools were staffed by nuns because of the tremendous savings in money. Priests didn't teach in elementary schools. Perhaps in other countries they did, and that's the recent phenomenon you refer to.
[b]The priests don't lure the boys during the Mass; it simply wouldn't be possible, so the liturgical differences don't seem material.
But both Catholic and Orthodox churches have presbytries in which the clerics, that includes the non ordained orders, will dress. That, as I understand, has been one place in which a priest could abuse altar servants. ...[text shortened]... representation of pedophiles in the Catholic clerical hierarchy than in the Orthodox verson.[/b]
In the churches I've been to, there are other people in the back as well, not just the priests and male & female altar servers putting things on over their clothes. I don't know what it was like decades ago though.
Why would a Catholic pedophile be more attracted to the priesthood than to marrying and reproducing? Most pedophiles don't convert to Catholicism so they can be priests.