Premise: Objective morals do not exist

Originally posted by @fmf
So you believe Christianity is right about everything, and you believe the Hindus are not right about everything, so you are a Christian, and you are not a Hindu. This is the realm of your subjectivity, not objectivity.

Unless of course Christianity were in fact true then my beliefs would be objectively true.

Originally posted by @fmf
Assuming Christianity is a big mistake, and you knew it, and assuming you were still a Christian anyway, why would you still be a Christian?

Because I would be refusing to acknowledge the truth.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Unless of course Christianity were in fact true then my beliefs would be objectively true.

You can label your personal opinions about Christianity [and all the superstitions that go with it] and you can frame all the mythology that it's based on as being "true", and go ahead and slap the "objective" label on the whole lot, if you want to, but it's having no effect on me.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Because I would be refusing to acknowledge the truth.

You once asked me: assuming God exists and he says homosexuality is immoral, why would you not think homosexuality was immoral? You are not going to somehow conjure up "objectivity" with these rhetorical gimmicks.

Originally posted by @fmf
You can label your personal opinions about Christianity [and all the superstitions that go with it] and you can frame all the mythology that it's based on as being "true", and go ahead and slap the "objective" label on the whole lot, if you want to, but it's having no effect on me.

Yet you still seem to have a problem with me doing so because that would imply that your beliefs are wrong. But from where you are sitting, if truth is relative, everyone's beliefs are 'right' anyway, so whether you believe God exists or not doesn't matter. But if God did in fact exist it would matter.

Originally posted by @fmf
You once asked me: assuming God exists and he says homosexuality is immoral, why would you not think homosexuality was immoral? You are not going to somehow conjure up "objectivity" with these rhetorical gimmicks.

If I believe God exists and I believe the Bible is His revelation then it means I have to believe what the Bible says. You obviously since you don't believe in either God or the Bible can believe whatever you want. Easy way out. Trust me it would be so much easier for me not to believe in either God or the Bible. Because then I could do and believe in anything I want, pretty much like you can.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
... from where you are sitting, if truth is relative, everyone's beliefs are 'right' anyway....

Copy paste the post of mine where I said this. It's as if you don't read anything I say. Go ahead, copy paste the post of mine you are referring to.

Originally posted by @fmf
Copy paste the post of mine where I said this. It's as if you don't read anything I say. Go ahead, copy paste the post of mine you are referring to.

I was not quoting you. If you disagree feel free to say why.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
...whether you believe God exists or not doesn't matter.

The fact that you believe God exists doesn't matter. You think your belief makes your morality "objective". It doesn't. The source, nature and purpose of your morality make it subjective just like everyone else's.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If you disagree feel free to say why.

But I have already addressed this issue. I feel no need to repeat myself.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Trust me it would be so much easier for me not to believe in either God or the Bible.

I don't see how the question of how "easy" you happen to think applying our moral standards [as a guide for our interactions with others] is relevant.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If everyone has the right to describe good and evil as they see fit (since no objective morals exist) and if people call that which you call good, evil, and that which you call evil, good, then you cannot know that that which you call good really is good and that which you call evil really is evil because true good and evil don't exist it is all just an illusion.

In the case of [A] someone getting angry with his sibling about something, and [B] someone arranging for the extermination of 6,000,000 human beings in 'industrial' death camps, which of the following reflects your "objective" view of "evil"?

[1] Neither is "evil".
[2] Getting angry is not "evil", but mass murder is "evil".
[3] They are both equally "evil".

My "subjective" view of "evil" has it that [2] is correct.
Your supposedly "objective" view of "evil" has it that [3] is correct.

Is that right?

Originally posted by @fmf
The fact that you believe God exists doesn't matter. You think your belief makes your morality "objective". It doesn't. The source, nature and purpose of your morality make it subjective just like everyone else's.

Yes it does matter. The fact that I believe God exists makes His laws non negotiable to me.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Yes it does matter. The fact that I believe God exists makes His laws non negotiable to me.

Well, you're entitled to your personal opinion about God and you're entitled to your personal opinion about what the rightful implications - for you - of your personal belief are.

Originally posted by @fmf
In the case of [A] someone getting angry with his sibling about something, and [B] someone arranging for the extermination of 6,000,000 human beings in 'industrial' death camps, which of the following reflects your "objective" view of "evil"?

[1] Neither is "evil".
[2] Getting angry is not "evil", but mass murder is "evil".
[3] They are both equally "evil" ...[text shortened]... rrect.
Your supposedly "objective" view of "evil" has it that [3] is correct.

Is that right?

If morality is subjective all 3 options are equally 'valid'. You can add 100 more options and they would also be 'valid'. According to the Bible it is wrong or 'evil' to get angry with your brother. I cannot say for sure whether or not it is in fact equally evil. But the fact that it is evil is enough for me.