24 Apr 22
@fmf saidThat assumes it all ends and begins with us. If it doesn't, then what you said doesn't apply because it isn't just subjective; there would be an objective truth.
Your sense of right and wrong ~ and what is flawed or not flawed - is just as subjective as anyone else's, regardless of whether they subscribe to your religion.
@kellyjay saidYour claims about what is and isn't "objective truth" are essentially meaningless when we are discussing something that falls squarely within the realm of subjectivity.
That assumes it all ends and begins with us. If it doesn't, then what you said doesn't apply because it isn't just subjective; there would be an objective truth.
As I said, your sense of right and wrong ~ and, to refer to the OP, your sense of what is flawed or not flawed - is just as subjective as anyone else's, and your personal opinions about what does or doesn't "end and begins with us" do not alter that.
24 Apr 22
@fmf saidThat is your belief; that is what you claim when it comes to the Spiritual World, the Supernatural is all in our heads. I keep telling you this is why what you had wasn't the real thing, because that is a supernatural event, not one that anyone for any reason can have and share simply because it is all subjective. You are, in essence, claiming you don't believe in it, so it cannot be real, which is subjective, not to mention very circular.
Your claims about what is and isn't "objective truth" are essentially meaningless when we are discussing something that falls squarely within the realm of subjectivity.
As I said, your sense of right and wrong ~ and, to refer to the OP, your sense of what is flawed or not flawed - is just as subjective as anyone else's, and your personal opinions about what does or doesn't "end and begins with us" do not alter that.
24 Apr 22
@kellyjay saidYou keep referring to your personal subjective opinions and speculations about supernatural things as "objective truths". They are not. You may be very, very, very certain that they are true. But they are not "objective truths".
That is your belief; that is what you claim when it comes to the Spiritual World, the Supernatural is all in our heads. I keep telling you this is why what you had wasn't the real thing, because that is a supernatural event, not one that anyone for any reason can have and share simply because it is all subjective.
24 Apr 22
@kellyjay saidNo, KellyJay, I am not claiming that your subjective opinions are NOT "objective truths" because I DON'T believe in them; I claiming that your opinions are NOT "objective truths" because they are subjective.
You are, in essence, claiming you don't believe in it, so it cannot be real, which is subjective, not to mention very circular.
@chessataxia saidKellyJay uses the adjective "objective" as a kind of intensifier word and adds it to whatever "truths" he firmly believes in. It is one of his flaws, linguistically and philosophically speaking.
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24 Apr 22
@fmf saidYa I got that.
KellyJay uses the adjective "objective" as a kind of intensifier word and adds it to whatever "truths" he firmly believes in. It is one of his flaws, linguistically and philosophically speaking.
It's like people who use scripture to prove their point right after I said scripture is biased.
They just keep on ticking...like a clock that won't stop. 😔
24 Apr 22
@chessataxia saidIf the point they seek to make is scriptural, I think using scripture to "prove" it in the context of their doctrines is fair enough. A religion's scripture is like a kind of manifesto that is effectively in competition with other religions' scriptures, so by its very nature it is going to be "biased".
It's like people who use scripture to prove their point right after I said scripture is biased.